Superman Prime( Guardian Amp) VS Odin: SLUGFEST

Originally posted by juggerman
Ah i see. Well then let me explain: "Slugfest" to me means just physical hitting, which is why you have threads here that state "Slugfest but suchandsuch can amp".

By "depowered" i meant "Odin doesn't have access to all his powers". Sorry for the confusion

Where'd his amping ability go? Just gone, that's where it went!

Odin can't shoot blasts, stop time, mindrape, or turn Prime into a cactus.
Assuming he can't amp, and then assuming he's amped everytime he's thrown a Surtur around doesn't leave the impression that Odin is allowed anything.

"He's got great strength feats, even better than Prime. Shame he was amping off his internal power though, so it's not allowed because... reasons..."

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Besides the part where I don't think Odin growing has ever been referred to as an amp before in comics (besides when he amps off Asgard), that'd be like saying Hulk just can't amp in these threads, or threads in general

Where'd his amping ability go? Just gone, that's where it went!

Odin can't shoot blasts, stop time, mindrape, or turn Prime into a cactus.
Assuming he can't amp, and then assuming he's amped everytime he's thrown a Surtur around doesn't leave the impression that Odin is allowed anything.

"He's got great strength feats, even better than Prime. Shame he was amping off his internal power though, so it's not allowed because... reasons..."

Explained the difference already. You don't agree and that's fine.

Originally posted by juggerman
Odin with his abilities intact

But even without him blasting, stopping time, etc...he is still physically a skyfather. If it was as simple as you are trying to make it (punching him in the face, beating him), he should NOT be classified as a skyfather, especially one of the most powerful skyfathers out there.

Originally posted by juggerman
Explained the difference already. You don't agree and that's fine.

You said no amping. But then you said amping is OK for Hulk because Odin has more control over his amping ability

So sometimes amping is OK in slugfests, but only if the character doesn't have fine control of their amping ability (which WWH did). But a slugfest to you is no amping... except in Hulk's case... but a slugfest to you is no amping... except...

So basically, Drax would be allowed to amp with the Power Gem, but Thanos or Adam Warlock wouldn't be able to amp with the Power Gem.

Because you said so

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There is no difference though.

You said no amping. But then you said amping is OK for Hulk because Odin has more control over his amping ability

So sometimes amping is OK in slugfests, but only if the character doesn't have fine control of their amping ability (which WWH did).

So basically, Drax would be allowed to amp with the Power Gem, but Thanos or Adam Warlock wouldn't be able to amp with the Power Gem.

Because you said so

There's no difference between the way Hulk amps and the way Odin amps?

Who said "fine control"? Nice twist

Originally posted by carver9
But even without him blasting, stopping time, etc...he is still physically a skyfather. If it was as simple as you are trying to make it (punching him in the face, beating him), he should NOT be classified as a skyfather, especially one of the most powerful skyfathers out there.

I disagree. And so do many others here.

Originally posted by juggerman
There's no difference between the way Hulk amps and the way Odin amps?

Who said "fine control"? Nice twist

Originally posted by juggerman
With Odin i see it as more of a choice. Hulk is just a result of him getting madder. Hulk can't just choose to be more pissed but no longer amp. At least i don't think so

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
why dont you, take a big step back, and **** yourself, quite literally.

why wont you first get the balls to tell me what you really want, instead of sending some stars you little wuss

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

I didn't say "fine control" in there once

EDIT: And i see you dodged my question. Are you saying Hulk and Odin amp the exact same way?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Are there invisible words in the op I can't read?

Which is?

i knew this douche will appear and ride odin's trident.

Originally posted by wolverinos
why wont you first get the balls to tell me what you really want, instead of sending some stars you little wuss

KMC blocks naughty words with *'s

Originally posted by juggerman
I didn't say "fine control" in there once

EDIT: And i see you dodged my question. Are you saying Hulk and Odin amp the exact same way?

No one amps the same in comics. It's an irrelevant question.

Fact of the matter if Odin amps off an internalized power source, as does Hulk. And a slugfest to you is no amping.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You basically said the textbook definition of control...

You avoided this again:

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you saying Hulk and Odin amp the exact same way?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No one amps the same in comics. It's an irrelevant question.

Fact of the matter if Odin amps off an internalized power source, as does Hulk. And a slugfest to you is no amping.

Just saw your edit. Again Hulk's amp is a side effect. Not something that would just happen

Originally posted by juggerman
You avoided this again:

And don't dodge a point in the same post you're saying someone else is dodging for that matter

Originally posted by juggerman
Just saw your edit. Again Hulk's amp is a side effect. Not something that would just happen

Basically you're making up a random set of rules for what you think a slugfest is and trying to apply it to others. No amping though. Except when amping is allowed.

Point out where the thread starter said no amping. Point out where in the rules it says slugfests entails no internal amping. And finally, point out where "Side effect" amping is different from "I can amp to whatever the shit I want to because I have fine control of my powers" from the rules you're getting that says no amping.

Originally posted by carver9
😂

By the way, beating a Monarch that was clearly holding back doesn't put him on Odin level.

He was also right next to him when he destroyed the universe.

Originally posted by cdtm
He was also right next to him when he destroyed the universe.

Don't get the point of this. Especially when Monarch "average" blasts was knocking the amp completely out of Prime and his Nuke like attack hurt Prime.

Originally posted by cdtm
He was also right next to him when he destroyed the universe.

Originally posted by Galan007
Myth:
Monarch's detonation at the end of Countdown #13 destroyed the entirety of universe-51, leaving only a blank void of nothingness in its wake:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996538/Countdown13p17.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996539/Countdown13p18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996540/Countdown13p19-20.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996541/Countdown13p21.jpg.html

It was later revealed in Superman Beyond #1 that universe-51, while apparently lifeless, was not entirely destroyed-- the physical components of said universe still appeared to be intact, at least.

Earth-51(the planet on which Monarch detonated, mind you) was still very much intact when Superman and Ultraman dropped the Monitor ship there-- it was just devoid of life, is all:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996542/Superman_Beyond_01_Page_017.jpg.html

If the planet on which Monarch's detonation originated was still intact, it's hard to imagine any other planets--or stars--or solar systems--or galaxies-- being destroyed by said detonation. The point of origin *should* have contained the most potent energies, after all.

Thoughts? I just stumbled on this myself.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't get the point of this. Especially when Monarch "average" blasts was knocking the amp completely out of Prime and his Nuke like attack hurt Prime.

prove monarch was holding back.

prove the fight with monarch is the cause for the Amp to fade away and not time.

prime's statement was to point out he felt that attck, he wasnt hurt he was only pissed.
Prime stating that hurt was like a friend pinching your arm and you like wtf? that hurt and then you are pissed and punching him.
you realise that pinch is miles and miles away from something that can actually hurt you but you treat it that way because you felt it.
another thing that backs it up is the fact Prime without most of the amp survived a universal blast, which only contributes to my previous statement.