Strongest of all anime/magna.

Originally posted by Q99
General opinion I've seen of Demonbane is it's not actually that good. Like, it sounds cool, but the story doesn't live up to it.

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I will mention there's arguably stronger. From the Umineko series, there's Featherine Augustus Aurora.

She once won a fight by re-writing the script of the game she was in to say she won, and decided to fill out the details of how later. Her opponent was universe-destroying level and had big bang attacks.

I mean Nyarlthotep ( http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Nyarlathotep+%28Demonbane%29 )isn't necessarily a push over, and it got bored fighting the weaker form and couldn't win so it went back in time to kill the pilot....instead of beating the mecha itself >_>....This can't even come close to working on the Elder God form, I guess it exists outside of Creation and Chaos, I just...it's like I can feel my brain bleeding trying to wrap my head around it all lol.

I see Demonbane as a walking paradox cause essentially summoning infinite upon infinite Demonbane from all realities even ones that don't exist lead to "Wouldn't there be a Demonbane that could defeat Demonbane?" But then that leads to "There would then be a Demonbane that could defeat that Demonbane"

So I just like to think of the Demonbane that's somehow being piloted by Goku lmao. There's supposed to be another game coming out I guess too, so...Idk how they're gonna make it even stronger like...I'm actually intrigued at how they're going to do this lol ._.

I wouldn't really call demonbane a god, because he's a mech. Either way, the only ones who stand at his level are characters like Superman Prime one million, Whiss, TOAA and M.O.M. Also with the possibility of the Beyonder, because he can change the fabric of space and time to anything he wishes, and instantly change the laws, rules, and anything he wants to, in the entire multiverse.

The only reason Whiss is added there, is because he has only had a singular appearance, even though he did show off his omnimortality, omniscience and some of his implied omnipotence. Several times in BOTG, Whiss remarked Bills being capable of instantly destroying all of creation, and himself being able to instantly re-create it, while his power also far surpassed Bills's, as shown when he knocked Bills out for three years just with a simple neck-chop, to stop him from unnecessarily destroying the galaxy, and the God-tree. Even Buu was multiversal level, because while he powered up, Supreme kai and Elder kai said that the entire multiverse would collapse from the shear output of power. Bills was even stronger than Vegetto though, who was MUCH stronger than Buu. Whiss being above him puts him at an omniversal destruction/creation level that is even with TOAA, Elder god demonbane(yes, I know who he is, and I know of his feats), M.O.M., the Beyonder and Superman Prime one million.

They are all equal in terms of power and creation(except Superman Prime 1m and the Beyonder), because they CREATED their universes, and have been proven to be able to as easily destroy them. They are basically their universes version of the same person, which is pretty much the representation of the Judeo-Christian god, except for Whiss, who is as powerful but still a completely unique creation, not just a bright light that can do, create, or destroy anything.

Whiss on the level of TOAA.

Stop.. just.. stop. 😐

Buu was multiversal, eh? Christ almighty. facepalm

All Buu actually did was rupture a pocket-universe, that's about it. And he did so just by unleashing his power. That is to say, it's not a specific universe-affecting power, it's just that if an area of space can't handle a lot of power, it'll rupture. If a universe can handle much greater amounts of power, it won't.

And we know from Battle of the Gods that the DBZ universe/multiverse are each *tiny*. 4 galaxies per universe, 12 universes.

Or to put it another way, Gurren Lagann's biggest forms are significantly larger than the main DBZ universe, and possibly bigger than the combined space in all 12.

Demonbane isn't omnipotent because even in his Elder God form he's still weaker than Azathoth, that's why he can only use Shining Trapezohedron for limited amount of time. It's strong. But not exactly as strong as people make it be.

Originally posted by Miraijin
Demonbane isn't omnipotent because even in his Elder God form he's still weaker than Azathoth, that's why he can only use Shining Trapezohedron for limited amount of time. It's strong. But not exactly as strong as people make it be.

Good to know!

Originally posted by TheTyrant
I was just joking. BM or BSM Naruto would wreck. Itachi's slightly above RM Naruto imo.

@ Q99: The only time they said there were four galaxies in DBZ was in movies, like the Janemba and Broly ones. In the manga, King Kai said he ruled the north quadrant, which would be the north quarter of the universe. In the namek saga, Bulma said that Namek was some billions of light years away, impossible if there were only four galaxies.

@ Galan007: Yes, if you watch the anime, Vegetto and the Kai's clearly state that Buu's screams are ripping the fabrics of creation, and "If he doesn't stop this, all of creation will be destroyed!", just from Buu releasing his power and screaming. Cell was able to destroy a solar system with a single Kamehameha wave, which isn't even an explosive attack, but a condensed beam the is meant to more damage to a smaller area than attacks like Super nova or Death Ball, all of which Cell had because he held Frieza's cells. If we use movies as canon, Broly destroyed a galaxy with one attack, and he was arguably as strong as Cell. Buu was able destroy galaxies and solar systems like they were nothing.

@ BloodRain: I take it you're not familiar with DBZ or any comic series for that matter. TOAA is called the one above all because he is above all. He created everything and is the Judeo-christian god who can never be beaten and has the biggest dick ever. The only reason anyone created him is to make up for the fact that they have a hilariously small penis. However, Whiss is basically the same thing as him, but created by a different person. Whiss created the universe, TOAA created the universe ; Whiss can think the universe out of existence, TOAA can think the universe out of existence ; Whiss can create universal level henchmen from nothing, TOAA can create universal level henchmen from nothing. I was simply saying I like Whiss more because TOAA is completely generic. Whiss is a unique version of that character, and I happen to like him more. If Whiss and TOAA fought, TOAA would obviously win, but that's only because he "is the strongest ever and no one is stronger than him and no one ever will be because he is god.", and that's boring as ****. He's even more of a broken character than Demonbane, or even Superman Prime one million for christ sake.

Wait which TOAA? The celestial dood or the being that's the writer in comic form? If we're talking about the ladder, that's why I always figured TOAA existed so if sh*t hit the fan or someone butchered a story he could just appear like "Uh... Magic something..RETCON...okay I'm leaving now". To be fair I never understood when people used him in VS it's essentially like using oh what's the DC equivalent again? The Presence? Like isn't that the writer as well? Iono it makes sense to have these types when you have such a massive company like Marvel/DC cause if you do need something fixed or need to do something unexplainable the choice is always there..

But for VS debates it's just stoopid lmao. Like I recall TOAA vs Pre Retcon Beyonder crap and it's like....no...TOAA is the writer so didn't he create the story I mean I..idk to be fair that's why I rarely bring up these characters, it just causes like a giant storm of sheeeeit.

Demonbane is one I rarely like to mention as well but for a slightly different cause, it's like that one character you're almost guaranteed to win with that you're good with in a fighting game...but there's that chance someone is gonna just mess you up (say maybe they select, Cosmic Armor Superman.....I don't want to deal wit dat boooosheeit) , and you really don't want to watch that character get the shit kicked out of him so you select someone else? Pretty much that.

if half humans count, its definately tenchi masaki, hes omnipotent...

@ Q99: The only time they said there were four galaxies in DBZ was in movies, like the Janemba and Broly ones. In the manga, King Kai said he ruled the north quadrant, which would be the north quarter of the universe. In the namek saga, Bulma said that Namek was some billions of light years away, impossible if there were only four galaxies.

Very possible if things were spread out. Also I think that was a line added in the dub, I don't remember that in the manga or the Japanese version.

However, Whiss is basically the same thing as him, but created by a different person. Whiss created the universe, TOAA created the universe ; Whiss can think the universe out of existence, TOAA can think the universe out of existence ; Whiss can create universal level henchmen from nothing, TOAA can create universal level henchmen from nothing.

False on several points. Whis is *not* called the universe's creator. Whis has *not* been said to be able to think universes away. Whis *recruits* Gods of Destruction, who are galaxy busters, not universe level.

And The One Above All created many parallel universes, of which tens of thousands are known, not just 1 or 12 like in DBZ.

Originally posted by Q99

Whis *recruits* Gods of Destruction, who are galaxy busters, not universe level.

And that, on strength of a possibly hyperbolic statement.. No on panel feats.

Originally posted by cdtm
And that, on strength of a possibly hyperbolic statement.. No on panel feats.

Apparently it's actually part of his job description, so it sounds plausible to me.

I take it you're not familiar with DBZ or any comic series for that matter.

If Whiss and TOAA fought, TOAA would obviously win

I don't know either verse but you agree with what I say? Ahh full circle.

But no, the Whiss parts were wrong on so many levels as Q90 pointed out.

Ah yes, Q90. The evil counter part to Q99. She's not held back by morals like Q99 is, making her more dangerous on average.

..wonder they made upgrades to the Q model to add modalities, like Glados?

Originally posted by Q99
General opinion I've seen of Demonbane is it's not actually that good. Like, it sounds cool, but the story doesn't live up to it.

gurren lagan had some powerful mf's in it attacks in it with the same stength and the big bang. Arceus and yggdrasill are credited with the creation and deletion of both of world and life. tencchi muyo i know im missing other shows but i just took finals and im tired as f**k

When we say Human. Do we mean Human and the strength/power he posses. Or a human and his interstellar omni-****er-upper weapons.

Like. How strong is anyone from Tenchi without a Light Hawk Wing?