Originally posted by tkitna
If you mean humiliated by getting KO'd, I agree.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Sentry>Gladiator>Hyperion>Blue Marvel.Gladiator already beat Hyperion. He made Wonder Man look foolish in their fight. He was literally running circles around Masterson Thor.
Going by on panel evidence its BM>>Gladiator=Classic Hyperion. Sentry is all over the place power wise. Sometimes he can man handle mid heralds like Terrax, other times he can't even deal with Hercules despite his team helping him.
Also, unless I'm mistaken Current Hyperion isn't Classic Hyperion. Aren't they from different universes?
Originally posted by zopzop
No by humiliated I mean just that. BM had just finished taking on Anti-Man when the Avengers jumped him. Sentry plus a TEAM of Avengers couldn't handle BM. Sentry had to dive bomb him from orbit when BM wasn't paying attention to put him down. And even then Sentry needed help getting to his feet from his TEAMmates.
I've read to comic. Sentry got punched into orbit (this board says that was a KO, but I still have a hard time accepting a guy with his eyes still open and arm movements as being that) and he dive bombed BM to end the fight. Sentry needed help to his feet due to the force of the dive bomb and how hard he hit BM.
Sentry and a group of Avengers couldnt handle BM? They did just that actually. If I remember correctly, who was carried off the battle field? Hint, it wasnt Sentry or the Avengers.
When you use the word humiliate, shouldnt that character at least have won the fight your referring to? I like BM, but he isnt beating a no nonsense Sentry.
Originally posted by tkitna
I've read to comic. Sentry got punched into orbit (this board says that was a KO, but I still have a hard time accepting a guy with his eyes still open and arm movements as being that) and he dive bombed BM to end the fight. Sentry needed help to his feet due to the force of the dive bomb and how hard he hit BM.Sentry and a group of Avengers couldnt handle BM? They did just that actually. If I remember correctly, who was carried off the battle field? Hint, it wasnt Sentry or the Avengers.
When you use the word humiliate, shouldnt that character at least have won the fight your referring to? I like BM, but he isnt beating a no nonsense Sentry.
If BM wasn't playing around with IM, Ares, and WM after he put Sentry's @$$ in orbit, he could have pressed his advantage and finished Sentry off, period.
And regarding a "no nonsense" Sentry, wasn't he being made an absolute fool of by Hercules (and again Sentry had help). To me that showing is suspect, but board consensus is that it's valid. So yeah.
Originally posted by curryman
Lot of help Sentry received against Hercules.Venom who tried to bite him..
Hercules was playing around and he made a fool of a "serious" Sentry despite having Venom and crew pestering him (and according to forum consensus this is a valid showing).
Originally posted by zopzop
No by humiliated I mean just that. BM had just finished taking on Anti-Man when the Avengers jumped him. Sentry plus a TEAM of Avengers couldn't handle BM. Sentry had to dive bomb him from orbit when BM wasn't paying attention to put him down. And even then Sentry needed help getting to his feet from his TEAMmates.Gladiator beat Hyperion because a) Hyperion only recently recovered use of his eyes (he was BLIND for a prolonged period of time) and b) Hyperion had little experience going H2H with opponents his level. It was all explained by Gruenwald on panel :
Going by on panel evidence its BM>>Gladiator=Classic Hyperion. Sentry is all over the place power wise. Sometimes he can man handle mid heralds like Terrax, other times he can't even deal with Hercules despite his team helping him.
Also, unless I'm mistaken Current Hyperion isn't Classic Hyperion. Aren't they from different universes?
Different Hyperion's, current one is from another universe Earth-13034 as where classic is from Earth S/712 but share the same powers and the new seems stronger than classic.
If Marvel want to press it with current Hyperion they can go into his Eternals abilities since Hyperion is a more powerful version of Ikaris and still develop Blue Marvel and bring in Marcile Man/Marvel Man.
I want to say Hyperion but I need to see more from him and Blue Marvel; but I still pick Hyperion over headcase Sentry.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Different Hyperion's, current one is from another universe Earth-13034 as where classic is from Earth S/712 but share the same powers and the new seems stronger than classic.If Marvel want to press it with current Hyperion they can go into his Eternals abilities since Hyperion is a more powerful version of Ikaris and still develop Blue Marvel and bring in Marcile Man/Marvel Man.
I want to say Hyperion but I need to see more from him and Blue Marvel; but I still pick Hyperion over headcase Sentry.
But, of course you would... 🙄
Originally posted by Supermex
Useing
Current Avenger Now Hyperion
Sentry from New Avengers
In this case then it's Sentry, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, then Gladiator.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Sentry>Gladiator>Hyperion>Blue Marvel.Gladiator already beat Hyperion. He made Wonder Man look foolish in their fight. He was literally running circles around Masterson Thor.
Nope, this is a completely different Hyperion which is being written as the superior to his predecessors, and I am really confident that this newer incarnation of him will be better than Glads as much as I like him. Also Blue Marvel is a wild card since he hasn't had many appearances, which is why I am excited that they brought him back so we can see what he is really made of. He definitely went out with a bang and left his mark with the few amazing feats that he's had.
Originally posted by zopzopWorld War Hulk nearly splattered Hercules with a few hits in seconds. Sentry fought World War Hulk's fists with his face for an issue, and still managed to burn him out.
Tell me how easy it is to fight an opponent when you got some guy clinging all up on you and biting your head and generally being a pest.Hercules was playing around and he made a fool of a "serious" Sentry despite having Venom and crew pestering him (and according to forum consensus this is a valid showing).
Have some perspective, for goodness sake.
Originally posted by zopzop
The point is, Sentry has a TEAM backing him up when he took on BM and they still almost lost. He wasn't even interested in fighting them. They picked the fight and he was trying to reason with them.
Are you actually thinking that the Avengers (minus Sentry) had anything to do with that fight? They were fodder. To think they had a chance of swaying the outcome is ludicrous.
If BM wasn't playing around with IM, Ares, and WM after he put Sentry's @$$ in orbit, he could have pressed his advantage and finished Sentry off, period.
Yeah, whatever, they were no factors in that fight. Kind of like the Collective and Ultron.
And regarding a "no nonsense" Sentry, wasn't he being made an absolute fool of by Hercules (and again Sentry had help). To me that showing is suspect, but board consensus is that it's valid. So yeah.
If your even using the Hercules showing as an example, you really dont know the character at all. Like I said, a no BS'ing Sentry would destroy BM.
Originally posted by zopzop
The point is, Sentry has a TEAM backing him up when he took on BM and they still almost lost. He wasn't even interested in fighting them. They picked the fight and he was trying to reason with them.
The point is, the team was no more than an annoyance. You act as if they had any input into the outcome. They did what they always did when it comes to Sentry, they took a knee while he was fighting. To act like the other Avengers had anything to do with that fight is absurd.
If BM wasn't playing around with IM, Ares, and WM after he put Sentry's @$$ in orbit, he could have pressed his advantage and finished Sentry off, period.
So BM couldnt have left the battlefield because the other characters prevented him? That doesnt look good on his account. Anyways, he's really lucky he got the lowest tier Sentry during that fight and not one the really wanted to win, but thats what your going to get when its your own book. It was a nice showing for BM all though he lost.
And regarding a "no nonsense" Sentry, wasn't he being made an absolute fool of by Hercules (and again Sentry had help). To me that showing is suspect, but board consensus is that it's valid. So yeah.
Do you really take the Hercules encounter as something serious? It was comic relief when they got together. Heck, Bob didnt even want to fight him in the first place. If your hanging onto the Hercules example, your grasping at straws. Why dont you bring up the Genis, Collective, WWH, or Terrax examples? You know, the examples in which Hercules could never perform.
Yeah, at his best (not including Void) Sentry was above all the other 3. His power levels varied a LOT and sometimes he would get handled by guys definitely below him. But at his confident best he takes it.
It's also hard to judge where Hyperion stands because this new version is different to the crappy pretender who fought BM.
Unfortunately Gladiator has been watered down IMO.