Originally posted by BloodRain
The greatest tool Aizen has here is his illusions, something he loses with the Hogyoku.
But then... if so, this tactics would have been used on Ichigo, so this is poorly supported by canon.
Originally posted by battlemaster161
Also dante will be slower cause of spirtual pressure and wont hurt aizen because he has none.
Not that Aizen could slow him enough for it to matter.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
My boyfriend corrected me on this. Apparently (I didn't watch Bleach so I go by his words, he's an anime nut of sorts) Aizen only needs to show his sword to person once to keep him/her under hypnosis as long as he wishes, so hypnotize then turn into battleform is a viable strategy.But then... if so, this tactics would have been used on Ichigo, so this is poorly supported by canon.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
My boyfriend corrected me on this. Apparently (I didn't watch Bleach so I go by his words, he's an anime nut of sorts) Aizen only needs to show his sword to person once to keep him/her under hypnosis as long as he wishes, so hypnotize then turn into battleform is a viable strategy.But then... if so, this tactics would have been used on Ichigo, so this is poorly supported by canon.
I heard something like that. My memory of bleach is small for not reading much.
But I Believe sound correct witch would explain why ichigo never was under_hypnosis by aizen unlike other soul reapers.
If this the case, then I don't see Dante ever get_hypnosis by aizen.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
My boyfriend corrected me on this. Apparently (I didn't watch Bleach so I go by his words, he's an anime nut of sorts) Aizen only needs to show his sword to person once to keep him/her under hypnosis as long as he wishes, so hypnotize then turn into battleform is a viable strategy.But then... if so, this tactics would have been used on Ichigo, so this is poorly supported by canon.
He has to show that person his sword's power-up. After that, he can control said person's primary senses however he wants. If said person grabs his sword, they'll be immune to his sensory control.
Originally posted by BloodRain
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Thats true, though by the end of the fight the Hogyoku disintegrates his sword as it finds it useless. If it did it then its a fair reason that it was the Hogyoku that prevented him from using it, even when he was getting desperate.
Eh, it's more likely that he was too overconfident, and felt that he did not have to rely on a Shinigami power anymore.
As for using it against Ichigo, he'd never shown him the ritual, and when Ichigo fought Aizen, he was too damn fast for Aizen to do anything against him.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixUnless it was only in the anime Aizen started throwing out things like the Black Coffin when he got desperate. Skipped his gold for using his silver.
Eh, it's more likely that he was too overconfident, and felt that he did not have to rely on a Shinigami power anymore.As for using it against Ichigo, he'd never shown him the ritual, and when Ichigo fought Aizen, he was too damn fast for Aizen to do anything against him.
Just has to say "Shatter, swordimaru" right? Its not like Ichigo was going all blitz on him or would constantly avoid eye contact if he released.
Its only 'cause of the later disintegration that I feel the orb was the reason. Otherwise it feels more 50/50.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Unless it was only in the anime Aizen started throwing out things like the Black Coffin when he got desperate. Skipped his gold for using his silver.Just has to say "Shatter, swordimaru" right? Its not like Ichigo was going all blitz on him or would constantly avoid eye contact if he released.
Its only 'cause of the later disintegration that I feel the orb was the reason. Otherwise it feels more 50/50.
True. Then it falls to the more likely CIS/PIS. Whereas Aizen was incredibly cautious and would think of every possible scenario pre-transformation, post transformation, he acted like a tank.
Nah. Ichigo has to first look at the sword or something like that and then there's something that takes place.
Wasn't the disintegration proof that his Zanpakuto had merged completely or something like that? Aizen manipulated Juha Bach's senses despite not having access to his Zanpakuto or having shown Bach his Zanpakuto's ritual.
When revealing its real power some shinigirl said how when he demonstrated his lie to the Caps etc that it was some mist said to be used to disorientate the enemy. Maybe that mist is the ritual?
Good point. Hm, more disappointed now that its just heavy C/PIS :/ Made worse that the whole illusions/Ichigo thing was made to seem as such an important plot point that all the Caps would stop him from falling under.
iirc, that was a lie on Aizen's part to her as it was just some bogus explanation he gave for it. what she did say was that one day he showed all of the liutenants his shikai and put them under his hypnosis. the whole mist thing was simply the explanation he gave at the time.
as for releasing/using it, yeah he has to perform the whole 'howl/roar/shatter/etc., kyoka suigetus' thing, but doing that in the presence of others under his hypnosis would be freed from its control I think and since Ichigo was mainly surrounded by people when he did go against Aizen (before he fully merged with the hogyoku anyway), he couldn't risk losing his trump card.
so with that said, as for this fight, I think Dante can win this as in terms of speed, Dante should possibly have the edge. strengthwise, not sure where he stands in comparison to Bleach high tiers like Aizen, but he should be fine and yeah, reaitsu most likely isn't going to slow him one bit.
well, imo, it depends. if Aizen has ANY form of prep, he could win this. if not, then Dante could win as long as Aizen doesn't try (and succeed) in using shikai on him. then again, he can fly while Dante can't outside of DT (and even then he needs certain things to fly) and just spam attacks from a height that Dante can't immediately reach, I guess....