IIRC, he had to tan for 15 minutes to move the Earth, and if the "supernova" feat your referring to is his encounter with Coldcast, then that's likely extraordinary hyperbole. The "force of 15 supernovas" should've reasonably destroyed everything around them. At the very least, the moon. Although, we are talking about a character who originated from comics, where stupid shit seems to happen all the time. Still, that's not something I'm willing to except as "reason".
Originally posted by Sacred 117
IIRC, he had to tan for 15 minutes to move the Earth, and if the "supernova" feat your referring to is his encounter with Coldcast, then that's likely extraordinary hyperbole. The "force of 15 supernovas" should've reasonably destroyed everything around them. At the very least, the moon. Although, we are talking about a character who originated from comics, where stupid shit seems to happen all the time. Still, that's not something I'm willing to except as "reason".
Agree never liked Marvel/dc comics their almost all boring and stupid but that's my opinion
Originally posted by battlemaster161
Agree never liked Marvel/dc comics their almost all boring and stupid but that's my opinion
I'm not saying that. I don't generally read comics, but I don't dislike them by any means. It's just that shit gets supremely convoluted and inconsistent do to reboots, adaptations, the occasional lazy writer, so forth.
Originally posted by Sacred 117My mistake, I was talking about the feat in New 52 where he's bench-pressing the weight of Earth for 5 days and asks for more. Anyhow I'm lazy, so here's a pre-made post:
IIRC, he had to tan for 15 minutes to move the Earth, and if the "supernova" feat your referring to is his encounter with Coldcast, then that's likely extraordinary hyperbole. The "force of 15 supernovas" should've reasonably destroyed everything around them. At the very least, the moon. Although, we are talking about a character who originated from comics, where stupid shit seems to happen all the time. Still, that's not something I'm willing to except as "reason".
"I don't recall him actually physically destroying a planet in that era, but he should easily be able to via powerscaling, considering he's moved them out of their orbits (which actually requires more power than the GBE), as well as moving something larger than the area containing the Earth and Moon, contended against guys with legit planet or higher level strength, smashed an asteroid with enough KE to shatter the Earth, was tearing a planet apart by just fighting in the atmosphere above it (and this was under a red sun so he was slowly losing his powers), scared some Earth Elementals by telling them how he'd destroy the Earth if they didn't give up (and considering they embody the Earth they would know he was capable of what he said), used his HV to power an engine that moved a planet 16 times the size of Earth, pushed a miniature solar system into outer space (while it was quickly expanding to full size), destroyed planets inside the Galactic Golem (not sure if that counts though, as they might not have been full - size planets, it was hard to tell the way it was explained) and at his highest while sundipped he moved War World (which was the size of Pluto, not that big, but keep reading) while pushing against its engines that were firing in the opposite direction, and said engines had the remaining power of Imperiex which as at least galaxy level."
"Superman moves Mageddon wheels: 7.119 XKt" (Star level)
Easily above planetary physical strength.
Nah not that one, and it was Suns not Supernovas.. not quite sure what he means by that by who cares. There was an instance of Superman iirc battle damaged who was only knocked out by a sun going nuke, and more impressively we have;
"- Superman tanks planetary collision: 24,392,925,430,000 Yt
- Hypernova: 2,390,057,361,400 yottatons
- Supernova (high): 47,801,147,228 yottatons
- Supernova (low): 23,900,573,614 yottatons"
Superman has Star System durability.
The problem is super hero comics are wildly inconsistent, more so than even DBZ. While, at times, Superman has withstood ridiculous amounts of power he has also put down by far less. An "average Superman" sure as hell doesn't want to be get hit by a blast capable of destroying a planet. If he does it's going to hurt... Bad.
That's my point. It's hard to accurately depict Superman. Everyone usually assumes he's consistently capable of his wild planetary feats. Also, characters such as Gogeta, Vegito, and so on, are arguably alleged potential star system busters, but this isn't something I can actually argue for. My DBZ info is covered in rust, and I can recall nothing that legitimately supports such a claim.
If you use an average Superman to cover any inconsistancies, why not DB?
2 moon and 3 planet bustings with a half dozen claims. Otherwise all of their countless blasts which they find threaterning range from City Block to Country level while their physical attacks are all City Block.
An average DB suffers as much as an average Superman would, who would in this situation still win.
Originally posted by BloodRain
If you use an average Superman to cover any inconsistancies, why not DB?2 moon and 3 planet bustings with a half dozen claims. Otherwise all of their countless blasts which they find threaterning range from City Block to Country level while their physical attacks are all City Block.
An average DB suffers as much as an average Superman would, who would in this situation still win.
It would. But DBZ really doesn't have many low showings that I am aware of other than Krillin throwing the rock and the elephant hurting SSJ Goku. Both of which, I am fairly certain, are non-canon filler.
As for the blasts, while they aren't typically blowing up planets and such I don't consider that when assessing a character's power. I do the same thing with Superman whose punches typically don't send his opponents hurtling hundreds of miles.
And yes, I gave Superman the win.