Doomsday vs Mangog

Originally posted by operator616
@ h1a8:

When has Odin one shotted Mangog? Pretty sure that never happened, unless you're referring to when odin cut Mangog from his power source (which =/= 1 shotting)

Odin was weakened when Mangog imprisoned him but Mangog managed to over power him earlier.

thor has never one shotted Mangog (while Mangog has, in his 1st encounter), if you're referring to thor v2 #25, then in that instance, thor killed him from within, and he already had a lengthy battle with him.

also, Mangog possessing the strength of billions of beings is true because Odin freed them, at the end of thor #157:

http://i.imgur.com/mcTWMJk.jpg

Anyone who has actually read Mangog would know this because it's literally mentioned in every appearance he makes.

I really could contradict everything you said.

IMO that is a one shot since it took one shot to win the fight. But how Odin did it is irrelevant to this fight.

Mangog never physically overpowered a non weakened Odin.
The only thing that comes close is when Mangog lifted the bridge and made Odin fall into the water. This is not overpowering someone.

Thor one shotted current Mangog (not classic) much later. That's why people say classic is more powerful than current.

I challenge you to contradict ANYTHING I said.

Mangog shit stomps

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO that is a one shot since it took one shot to win the fight. But how Odin did it is irrelevant to this fight.

Mangog never physically overpowered a non weakened Odin.
The only thing that comes close is when Mangog lifted the bridge and made Odin fall into the water. This is not overpowering someone.

Thor one shotted current Mangog (not classic) much later. That's why people say classic is more powerful than current.

I challenge you to contradict ANYTHING I said.

First off, didn't i just prove you wrong regarding your claim of Mangog having the strength of billions of beings, is hyperbole? yes i did

Thor never oneshotted Mangog (classic or otherwise)

In thor v2 #25, thor landed several blows, he even realized that he can't beat him from outside, so he did it from the inside, finishing it with an anti force blast

http://i.imgur.com/rcErFlH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bo4A98L.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bQdlsbY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7bUrPvK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UTej8yp.jpg

2011 bio:

http://i.imgur.com/E11MWR1.jpg?1

that's far from one shotting.

In case you're referring to thor v2 #84 then you failed to consider 2 things:

1. It was rune king thor (much more powerful than regular thor)

2. Mangog was weaker, because loki drained him:

http://i.imgur.com/5LnqoEe.jpg

2011 bio confirms that he was weakened:

http://i.imgur.com/Z2IazoU.jpg?1

either way, i hope you realize that your statements are far from the truth

Later in thunderstrike (his most recent appearances) it took thor and several others to merely banish Mangog.

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Mangog does have the strength of billion upon billions of beings, odin freed them in thor #157:

http://i.imgur.com/mcTWMJk.jpg

bio:

http://i.imgur.com/BTZS6kl.jpg?1

also, it is true that mangog imprisoned Odin while he was de-powered, but you do realize that Odin never returned to full strength in the end when he (according to you) one shotted Mangog, right? Which is why Odin never really one shotted Mangog, nor could he. the only way Odin defeated him was when he cut Mangog connection to his race:

http://i.imgur.com/3u8P3IF.jpg?1

bio:

http://i.imgur.com/LwTSsQ8.jpg?1

which is why for the next 3 pages, mangog began to shrink as opposed to him being outright destroyed. Im assuming you read the story, so im not going to post those, im merely shedding some light on the details you might have missed.

That's definitely not one shotting. Same thing happened back in his first appearance.

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you said that thor claimed that mangog didn't possess the power of billions of beings right after his fight, where in fact the exact opposite was stated (thor #156):

http://i.imgur.com/kiw8qBc.jpg?1

Thor also fought him (classic version) in the next issue, along with thor #198, and thor #250, nothing of the sort was stated. Not that it matters because i did prove that Mango contains billions of beings, didn't i?

Originally posted by operator616
First off, didn't i just prove you wrong regarding your claim of Mangog having the strength of billions of beings, is hyperbole? yes i did

Thor never oneshotted Mangog (classic or otherwise)

In thor v2 #25, thor landed several blows, he even realized that he can't beat him from outside, so he did it from the inside, finishing it with an anti force blast

http://i.imgur.com/rcErFlH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bo4A98L.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bQdlsbY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7bUrPvK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UTej8yp.jpg

2011 bio:

http://i.imgur.com/E11MWR1.jpg?1

that's far from one shotting.

In case you're referring to thor v2 #84 then you failed to consider 2 things:

1. It was rune king thor (much more powerful than regular thor)

2. Mangog was weaker, because loki drained him:

http://i.imgur.com/5LnqoEe.jpg

2011 bio confirms that he was weakened:

http://i.imgur.com/Z2IazoU.jpg?1

either way, i hope you realize that your statements are far from the truth

Later in thunderstrike (his most recent appearances) it took thor and several others to merely banish Mangog.

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Mangog does have the strength of billion upon billions of beings, odin freed them in thor #157:

http://i.imgur.com/mcTWMJk.jpg

bio:

http://i.imgur.com/BTZS6kl.jpg?1

also, it is true that mangog imprisoned Odin while he was de-powered, but you do realize that Odin never returned to full strength in the end when he (according to you) one shotted Mangog, right? Which is why Odin never really one shotted Mangog, nor could he. the only way Odin defeated him was when he cut Mangog connection to his race:

http://i.imgur.com/3u8P3IF.jpg?1

bio:

http://i.imgur.com/LwTSsQ8.jpg?1

which is why for the next 3 pages, mangog began to shrink as opposed to him being outright destroyed. Im assuming you read the story, so im not going to post those, im merely shedding some light on the details you might have missed.

That's definitely not one shotting. Same thing happened back in his first appearance.

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you said that thor claimed that mangog didn't possess the power of billions of beings right after his fight, where in fact the exact opposite was stated (thor #156):

http://i.imgur.com/kiw8qBc.jpg?1

Thor also fought him (classic version) in the next issue, along with thor #198, and thor #250, nothing of the sort was stated. Not that it matters because i did prove that Mango contains billions of beings, didn't i?

Thor one shotted Mangog in Thor corps. I'll give you the scan if you don't remember. Why are you still talking about Odin one shotting Mangog? I said it was irrelevant to this fight with DD. I didn't claim Mangog didn't have the power of a billion billion beings. I claimed that Thor thought he was weaker than that. A billion billion beings isn't shit really if you think about it. Superman is stronger than that. A billion billion beings isn't even half the strength to lift a planet.

After the fights with Mangog, Thor said he was exaggerating about the billion billion being thing. It was stated that Mangog hit Mjolnir back equal to the strength of Thor's right arm. Mangog hit Thor thousands of times and not koed him. This is evidence you can't ignore.

Bottomline you are derailing the main point here. Mangog hasn't proven through ANY showings to be stronger than a high herald. Nothing he did suggests he is stronger. If you disagree then kindly show or state what he did that shits on high herald strength feats. Till then I'm not giving him higher than high herald level strength without a showing to prove it.

DD is stronger than Superman and thus Mangog. DD also has adapting abilities to get stronger, and heal instantly. He is also vastly faster than Mangog.

Mangog, easily.

Mangog has a new pet b***h and it's name is Doomsday.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor one shotted Mangog in Thor corps. I'll give you the scan if you don't remember.

Why are you still talking about Odin one shotting Mangog? I said it was irrelevant to this fight with DD.

I didn't claim Mangog didn't have the power of a billion billion beings. I claimed that Thor thought he was weaker than that. A billion billion beings isn't shit really if you think about it. Superman is stronger than that. A billion billion beings isn't even half the strength to lift a planet.

After the fights with Mangog, Thor said he was exaggerating about the billion billion being thing. It was stated that Mangog hit Mjolnir back equal to the strength of Thor's right arm. Mangog hit Thor thousands of times and not koed him. This is evidence you can't ignore.

Bottomline you are derailing the main point here. Mangog hasn't proven through ANY showings to be stronger than a high herald. Nothing he did suggests he is stronger. If you disagree then kindly show or state what he did that shits on high herald strength feats. Till then I'm not giving him higher than high herald level strength without a showing to prove it.

DD is stronger than Superman and thus Mangog. DD also has adapting abilities to get stronger, and heal instantly. He is also vastly faster than Mangog.

yeah, ill be definitely needing that scan. Pretty sure it doesn't exist, though.

i already proved that odin did not one shot mangog, cutting him from his power source doesn't mean one shotting him.

except that you did say that mangog having billions of billions of beings is an exaggeration, specifically in your 3rd point, now you are denying it, but the hilarious part about all this is that in this SAME POST you are saying that Mangog having the power of billions beings is an exaggeration. I mean.....seriously? Thor never stated that mangog is weaker than that.

im not derailing the (according to you) main point, a point which i never even made, i was just clarifying a few things on Mangog. But if you feel like Mangog, who was threatening (and stated/shown to be Odin's peer on multiple occasions) Odin (who himself, was destroying galaxies and threatening the entire universe, 10 issues prior to Mangog's second attack) loses to DD, then whatever.......im really not going to debate it.

Originally posted by operator616
yeah, ill be definitely needing that scan. Pretty sure it doesn't exist, though.

i already proved that odin did not one shot mangog, cutting him from his power source doesn't mean one shotting him.

except that you did say that mangog having billions of billions of beings is an exaggeration, specifically in your 3rd point, now you are denying it, but the hilarious part about all this is that in this SAME POST you are saying that Mangog having the power of billions beings is an exaggeration. I mean.....seriously? Thor never stated that mangog is weaker than that.

im not derailing the (according to you) main point, a point which i never even made, i was just clarifying a few things on Mangog. But if you feel like Mangog, who was threatening (and stated/shown to be Odin's peer on multiple occasions) Odin (who himself, was destroying galaxies and threatening the entire universe, 10 issues prior to Mangog's second attack) loses to DD, then whatever.......im really not going to debate it.

Feats>>>>>>>>>>anything.
Mangog literally hit Thor thousands of times and didn't ko him. Thor has fought Mangog on numerous occassions and didn't get koed. Isn't that evidence towards Mangog's strength? Mangog has done nothing to show he is a peer to Odin or is physically stronger than a high herald level being. My argument is stronger than yours because I'm actually using what Mangog has done (which trumps anything). Now if you can show Mangog doing anything that supports him being stronger than any high herald level being then that would be good.

Here is Thor one shotting Mangog.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/eh6y.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/kbag.jpg/

Originally posted by operator616
yeah, ill be definitely needing that scan. Pretty sure it doesn't exist, though.

i already proved that odin did not one shot mangog, cutting him from his power source doesn't mean one shotting him.

except that you did say that mangog having billions of billions of beings is an exaggeration, specifically in your 3rd point, now you are denying it, but the hilarious part about all this is that in this SAME POST you are saying that Mangog having the power of billions beings is an exaggeration. I mean.....seriously? Thor never stated that mangog is weaker than that.

im not derailing the (according to you) main point, a point which i never even made, i was just clarifying a few things on Mangog. But if you feel like Mangog, who was threatening (and stated/shown to be Odin's peer on multiple occasions) Odin (who himself, was destroying galaxies and threatening the entire universe, 10 issues prior to Mangog's second attack) loses to DD, then whatever.......im really not going to debate it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surtur wins.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Surtur, easily.

Yep...

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Originally posted by h1a8

Here is Thor one shotting Mangog.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/eh6y.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/27/kbag.jpg/

Not really going to continue to debate this with you, because it's pointless.

all i'll do is clarify on your out of context scans:

Your scans are from thunderstrike v3 #5 pages 8-9, Mangog got up the very next page (page 10).
The avengers were helping thor against mangog, and thor eventually (with help) bfr'd mangog, when he realized that destroying Mangog is impossible.

http://i.imgur.com/aUKLXE7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8z7ECln.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/52YHm1P.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KUJKhaH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NUDrkkh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1ED04M6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hXDky88.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/smQ3gGO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/b55dsdF.jpg

2011 handbook:

http://i.imgur.com/ULpluMQ.jpg?1

like i said, thor has never one shotted Mangog, i have read every single appearance Mangog ever made, and im pretty sure that never happened.

Originally posted by operator616
Not really going to continue to debate this with you, because it's pointless.

all i'll do is clarify on your out of context scans:

Your scans are from thunderstrike v3 #5 pages 8-9, Mangog got up the very next page (page 10).
The avengers were helping thor against mangog, and thor eventually (with help) bfr'd mangog, when he realized that destroying Mangog is impossible.

http://i.imgur.com/aUKLXE7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8z7ECln.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/52YHm1P.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KUJKhaH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NUDrkkh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1ED04M6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hXDky88.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/smQ3gGO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/b55dsdF.jpg

2011 handbook:

http://i.imgur.com/ULpluMQ.jpg?1

like i said, thor has never one shotted Mangog, i have read every single appearance Mangog ever made, and im pretty sure that never happened.

Yes Mangog has great durability but his offense isn't beyond a high herald (which is my point that you can't disprove). It's his durability that makes him dangerous. Just like Juggernaut but less durable. But you can't explain away all the showings by him that shows high herald or less strength. If he had 1 or 2 strength showings above high herald then I would go with that. But he has NONE.
So no case can be made for him since FEATS and SHOWINGS trump everything.

Mangog makes Doomsday his pet.

Doomsy gets to wear a gimp suit and is kept on a leash by Mangog for anal pleasures.

Mangog wins

Originally posted by operator616
Not really going to continue to debate this with you, because it's pointless.

The avengers were helping thor against mangog, and thor eventually (with help) bfr'd mangog, when he realized that destroying Mangog is impossible.

Operator, don't you realize Doomsday can use Mjolnir to open Mangog's mouth and blast him on the inside where Mangog is less shielded and score an easy K.O. here?

Why do you not realize you've lost?

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Yep...

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And here we are again with one guy arguing against conventional wisdom again. H1 is like a broken record record around here. Its almost as if he takes all the obvious threads and goes against the grain in hopes of gaining some type of acceptance in his mind, but it never works. Here we have a thread that should be a no brainer and he's going to argue for at least a half a dozen pages. Save time and save bandwidth and just admit that Doomsday gets his lunch shoved in here and we'll move on. Sheesh.