Originally posted by carver9
A backstab is a backstab, no matter the personality. Do you agree that the fight could've went differently if Darkseid wasn't backstabbed? Simple question. You bringing personality into this doesn't equate to the ending result of a fight. Darkseid was hit from behind, and even you admitted that being struck from behind can change the momentum of a fight.
Yup, it could've gone differently had he not been hit in the back. I've never said otherwise?
Originally posted by carver9
Perfect, so the Doomsday vs Darkseid fight doesn't count. We got a long way to go. What about Superman vs Doomsday (last one)? Superman blind sided him - attacked from the back over 9 times. Can we both agree that this fight wasn't a win for Superman as well?
Why does it not count? Like I said, you're not a very smart poster so please leave the traps to others.
Remember what I said many many years ago about fights Vs feats?
Edit: here you go:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@Galan. 👆In a comic, ANYTHING can happen. Jane Foster can succeed where Odin fails, for example.
In a forum fight, then we use a combo of feats and fights. Can't ignore fights, but neither can we ignore feats. And my personal take on it is that it depends on how much exposure a character gets.
The more exposure, and the more that character begins to interact with the wider community, the more feats begin to matter - more so than fights. Because a new character will start to 'job' to established characters.
As a good example of this, look at Damage. When he first arrived on the scene, one could make a good case that he was high herald/trans. Then as he started to interact with the wider community, Batman, Poison Ivy and Congorilla happened.
Look at Grail. In her first appearance, she was oneshotting Shazam, breaking GLs, outspeeding and outfighting WW. Now? She's casually beaten by WW (who, it should be noted, no longer has the GoW amp she had when Grail won against her).
Look at Immortal Hulk. Flexing Jane Thor and Herc off him. Now? Grimm and Bushwhacker are taking their shots against him.
Zoom was speedblitzing Flashes. Let that sink in. Now? A blind WW tagged him, Liberty Belle, Superman etc are all fighting him.
I can go on, but we get the picture.
How does that apply here?
Doomsday has few appearances. His fights count for more.
Darkseid has (relatively) more appearances. His feats (space cheese, if you will) count for more.
Simples.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor swing plus Mjlonir. Kind of like Superman swing vs Doomsday bones.
Let me make sure I understand. Are you saying that when two objects collide, and one is destroyed while the other remains undamaged, the destroyed object is actually more durable?
Are you familiar with material science?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why does it not count? Like I said, you're not a very smart poster so please leave the traps to others.Remember what I said many many years ago about fights Vs feats?
Edit: here you go:
The difference here is, you're discrediting Hulk vs Thanos fight because he was hit in the back (important part) which hindered him to continue the fight. If Thanos was fighting Spiderman and was punched in the back, we wouldnt be having this debate because if Spiderman was capable of crippling Thanos with a punch, then...
So again, we have Darkseid being punched in the back vs Thanos being punched in the back. Both caused damage. What does a person personality have to do with both suffering the same damage from the same type of attack. At this point, you're being cringy AF due to your snake bias ways.
Originally posted by h1a8I mean, we're talking about Mangog who has on-panel performed an actual speedblitz and leaped through the solar system, let alone across an indeterminate expanse of outer space/dimensions???
To defeat Hunter HP DD, an opponent must either deliver a powerful one-shot blow or deal continuous damage faster than Doomsday can heal and adapt. If not, Doomsday will fully recover and develop resistance. While Mangog is powerful and can deal damage, the critical question is whether he can do so at a rate that exceeds HP DD’s healing factor. Additionally, HP DD is much faster, giving him the advantage of keeping Mangog at bay by repeatedly striking him, further reducing Mangog’s chances of overwhelming him with sustained damage.
Originally posted by carver9That doesn't rebut the point.
Did Doomsday claws cut through Superman like butter? Isn't that what you said? So how did a less durable Superman break Doomsday bones?
1. Superman never struck HP DD in his claws. He struck DD in the face.
2. Superman's fist includes his bones, which amplifies it's durability.
3. DD cut the soft tissue of Superman, not Superman's bones.
Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't rebut the point.1. Superman never struck HP DD in his claws. He struck DD in the face.
2. Superman's fist includes his bones, which amplifies it's durability.
3. DD cut the soft tissue of Superman, not Superman's bones.
Prove that his claws are made of different substance than the bone Superman broke.
Originally posted by ODG
I mean, we're talking about Mangog who has on-panel performed an actual speedblitz and leaped through the solar system, let alone across an indeterminate expanse of outer space/dimensions???
Mangog does possess super speed, but performing a speedblitz alone doesn't specify his exact level of speed, as there are various degrees to such feats.
I'm not familiar with his leaping through the solar system feat. Do you have any scans? What exactly was he leaping from, and how long did it take him to cross the distance? A reasonable estimate would suffice.
While travel speed doesn't always equate to combat speed, how did Mangog manage to traverse an undefined stretch of space?
In your opinion, is Mangog faster than Doomsday?
Originally posted by carver9
Prove that his claws are made of different substance than the bone Superman broke.
There's no need for me to prove anything; the burden is on you to show that they are the same. However, I'll provide some relevant points:
1. Not all bones are equally durable in animals on Earth. By extension, under the suspension of disbelief, it's reasonable to assume that the bones of an alien species may vary in durability as well.
2. Hardness is just one factor in the ability to cause damage. Sharpness is another. It's possible that Doomsday's claws are sharper than the bones protruding from his face. That's also assuming the angle of attack was the same in both instances. In other words, It's possible that Superman struck the bones on Doomsday's face from a less optimal angle, such as from the side, where the impact wouldn't be as sharp.
3. Doomsday cut through flesh that wasn't reinforced by bone. Superman's fist, on the other hand, is reinforced by bone, which makes it significantly more durable than the soft tissue Doomsday sliced through.
He also used his elbow bones and gashed a hole into Superman side...
Superman admits that his knee bones are sharp and cutting him.
You're a troll of the highest order H1 with your dumb math equations that you try to use as evidence of what's happening in a comic. Troll.
Originally posted by carver9
The difference here is, you're discrediting Hulk vs Thanos fight because he was hit in the back (important part) which hindered him to continue the fight. If Thanos was fighting Spiderman and was punched in the back, we wouldnt be having this debate because if Spiderman was capable of crippling Thanos with a punch, then...So again, we have Darkseid being punched in the back vs Thanos being punched in the back. Both caused damage. What does a person personality have to do with both suffering the same damage from the same type of attack. At this point, you're being cringy AF due to your snake bias ways.
Do you know WHY I am saying it wasn't a clear cut fight with Thanos? Hint: it's not just because a fist connected with his back. Think carefully.
It's to do with the in character rule. You always have trouble with this so I can see why you don't understand.
Originally posted by carver9
He also used his elbow bones and gashed a hole into Superman side...Superman admits that his knee bones are sharp and cutting him.
You're a troll of the highest order H1 with your dumb math equations that you try to use as evidence of what's happening in a comic. Troll.
I'm a troll? I should report you.
You basically ignored everything I said. Please address EACH POINT Made. Start with this one.
Originally posted by h1a8Hardness is just one factor in the ability to cause damage. Sharpness is another. It's possible that Doomsday's claws are sharper than the bones protruding from his face.
That's also assuming the angle of attack was the same in both instances. In other words, It's possible that Superman struck the bones on Doomsday's face from a less optimal angle, such as from the side, where the impact wouldn't be as sharp.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do you know WHY I am saying it wasn't a clear cut fight with Thanos? Hint: it's not just because a fist connected with his back. Think carefully.It's to do with the in character rule. You always have trouble with this so I can see why you don't understand.
If the same circumstances happened in both fights, it stands. Thanos thought he ended Hulk by breaking his neck, Darkseid thought he ended Doomsday by Omega blasting him. Thanos walked off, Darkseid walked off. Doomsday slashed Darkseid in the back, Hulk punched Thanos in the back.
There's plenty of fights where Thanos damaged his opponents and walked off. The only difference here is, he did it against someone that has the best healing factor in the game.
Originally posted by carver9You initially referred to my statement about HP Doomsday's claws against Superman, and then followed up with some irrelevant points from Death of Superman, which I’ll address now.
The burden of proof is on you, H1. Enjoy
Go ahead and post page 137 where Superman breaks Doomsday’s bones to support your point.
I doubt you will, since it clearly shows Superman striking Doomsday's face from the side and reveals that the protrusions on his face are not as sharp as the bones on his knees and elbows.