I know. not saying Quasar wil de facto drain the ring or enything. I am just saying that affecting the energies of the ring is well within his powers.
What happens next is debatable. Also I don't think Quasar's only way to beat a lantern is to drain/manipulate his energy. I always viewed Hal and Wendel as peers more or less
Originally posted by Warlord
I know. not saying Quasar wil de facto drain the ring or enything. I am just saying that affecting the energies of the ring is well within his powers.
What happens next is debatable. Also I don't think Quasar's only way to beat a lantern is to drain/manipulate his energy. I always viewed Hal and Wendel as peers more or less
Well, who do you think wins this fight? Did you read one of the last Alan Scott storyline where he went crazy?
yes. I'm not saying Wendel can beat the likes of Alan, or Agent Orange when he was first introduced or the likes of Cyborg Supes with rings.
I was just mentioning all this because Pym dismissed him as insignificant.
For me Quasar can even split or even slightly beat the top lanterns like Hal or Sinestro as he doesn't need focus for his constructs and his bands don't need recharging. Now characters like the ones I stated above are well beyond a normal lantern as they are either significantly pumed up (Agent Orange, Starheart) or their own traits make the addition of a power ring overkill (cyborg supes)
Originally posted by Warlord
what? com on... I know he had some low showings but in general he has complete (and by complete I eman complete) control over the EM energy spectrum while he was shown to affect other types of energy like Jack of Heart's zero energy or even Worlock's magic. As I said, the rings have been affected by energy manipulators that have nothing to do with the emotional spectrum before and in any case Quasar doesn't have to affect the rings energy to give the lanterns a hell of a fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Quasar is completely ****ed outside EM spectrum and he has said that on several times.
only he has affected energies outside the EM spectrum before like the ones I stated. On pannel. Anyway as I said people within the EM spectrum have affected the rings but that's not the debate.
It is whether Quasar is useless here or not. Which he isn't. Or debate otherwise
Originally posted by pym-ftwwat
I believe Starbrand isn't in full control.By placement he SHOULD be above HH but in feats he is barely Thor/Surfer class.
Starbrand annihilated an entire wing of the Builder's fleet on his own. Neither Thor, nor Surfer have done anything on that magnitude in the war against the Builders.
Originally posted by pym-ftwQuasar has come up across several energies he cannot manipulate, magical energies, for instance. But for the most part, that's the exception, not the rule. Despite being limited to the "EM spectrum," the Quantum Bands have shown the ability to absorb/manipulate the following: [list]
Quasar has a very finite control of the energy spectrum. I mean unless marvel adds an emotional spectrum we won't get a true answer but I don't think he could. That said the rings can manipulate the same energy as Quasar.Nova could hold his own for a short while unless he flees...
Before you label me a haters I really like Quasar, he is probably my favorite HH other than Creel.
Quasar definitely sh1ts on GLs in terms of energy absorption and manipulation. It's literally his schtick. And he should get the benefit of the doubt here with regards to GL energy. GL energies are part of the emotional electromagnetic spectrum, after all.
Originally posted by Warlord
only he has affected energies outside the EM spectrum before like the ones I stated. On pannel. Anyway as I said people within the EM spectrum have affected the rings but that's not the debate.
It is whether Quasar is useless here or not. Which he isn't. Or debate otherwise
Originally posted by pym-ftw
In feats yes,...do you not think surfer could replicate the feats?
Thor the Hulk,and Hyperion would beat the snot out of Norrin faster that he could blink. The Starbrand is far above Norrin.
Originally posted by Warlord
one shoting Thor Hyperion and Hulk without knowing how to use the damn thing is certainly above herald though
No kidding. I would place Starbrand high enough to give The Dark Phoenix a run for her money if not stalemate her, and she was eating stars. The Starbrand is still filled with doubt, and is just now testing the waters of his power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's an exception not the rule. GL energies are outside EM spectrum and adapt energy manipulators like Dr. Light (who has manipulated all type of energies including magic) has failed to manipulate it after the retcon.
refer to ODG's post for the exception thing.
After all I already said I am not backing Quasar against a GL just because of him draining the ring. Again, I replied only to specified he's far from useless in this fight
Originally posted by carver9
Starbrand just took out a fleet with a wave of his hands and this fleet took on and defeated Earth major defense, the Skrulls empire, Shiar Empire, along with more powerful forces. That alone is skyfather plus, probably abstract. The moral of this post is, don't listen to Zop Zop.
SB's feat was impressive, but it was basically destroying a tonne of already destroyed ships. With all the remaining heroes in the blast zone, surviving unharmed.
Surfer definitely could have replicated that feat, imo.
Sadly Surfer's being nerfed throughout this saga. Bleeding, taking ages to heal a cut and not even being able to attack an armada of Alephs.
I know nothing of Black hand, but this alan and cyborg supes are very tough nuts to crack. it will go down to how powerful Starbrand really is but I see the lanterns edging it unless some bizzare stuff are involved (quantum zone jumps, warmholes, ring transmutation by surfer, energy draining via Bill's hammer)
Originally posted by janus77Surfer isn't annihilating an entire fleet with the casual raising of a hand like Starbrand did. A neophyte Starbrand has already proven himself well beyond Surfer and Thor already in his first appearance against the Avengers.
That fleet was already decimated, with their most powerful ships being turned on them. On top of that, The Builders had left long before StarBrand got there and, iirc, an Ex Nihila had destroyed itself to facilitate the retreat (causing further damage to the crippled and broken vessels).SB's feat was impressive, but it was basically destroying a tonne of already destroyed ships. With all the remaining heroes in the blast zone, surviving unharmed.
Surfer definitely could have replicated that feat, imo.
Originally posted by janus77He's away from Earth. But even were he not weakened by being so far away from it, he's still not replicating what Starbrand did.
Sadly Surfer's being nerfed throughout this saga. Bleeding, taking ages to heal a cut and not even being able to attack an armada of Alephs.
Originally posted by ODG
Surfer isn't annihilating an entire fleet with the casual raising of a hand like Starbrand did. A neophyte Starbrand has already proven himself well beyond Surfer and Thor already in his first appearance against the Avengers. He's away from Earth. But even were he not weakened by being so far away from it, he's still not replicating what Starbrand did.
Moreover, that feat wasn't exactly a case of overcoming the defensive shields and such of the armada, but merely destroying debris (the Planet Killer that the Skrull was operating had already destroyed the bulk of the fleet before The Builders left)...
I don't think it would be out of place for Surfer to do something like that with similar ease. If he wasn't weakened and if he wasn't arbitrarily lumbered with a very weak physical body.
Remember how he shielded all of Sakaar's ships, with a mere thought, when Galactus ate Sakaar?
Originally posted by janus77
That fleet was already decimated, with their most powerful ships being turned on them. On top of that, The Builders had left long before StarBrand got there and, iirc, an Ex Nihila had destroyed itself to facilitate the retreat (causing further damage to the crippled and broken vessels).
Surfer definitely could have replicated that feat, imo.
Sadly Surfer's being nerfed throughout this saga. Bleeding, taking ages to heal a cut and not even being able to attack an armada of Alephs.
Originally posted by zopzopI even mentioned this to Carver too.
Easily. As could Thor or any other Herald level being worthy of the name.
Yup. Hickman is just sh|tting all over established characters (Starbrand, Living Tribunal, Surfer, etcc) for the sake of his overrated story. [/B]
So Surfer can take on the Avengers like Starbrand did?