Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video2.30 "The Jedi had laid siege." "Leaving nothing but Jedi blood in his wake."
"Khem Val devoured the life-energy from thousands of Jedi in ancient battles fought in Yn and Chabosh."
Unless you take the second quote as literal, that doesn't mean the Jedi were the the only ones fighting Tulak Hord.
There's no mention of anyone except for Jedi. If it were the Jedi and their armies it would probably have been mentioned at least once. Instead Khem literally says there's nothing but Jedi blood. Even if you choose to believe that isn't literal, its hugely inductive that there were only Jedi there. Again, if Republic forces were there he might have mentioned it.
Furthermore we see in Chabosh that armies of Jedi existed in that period, as Khem and Hord fought an army of Jedi one thousand strong. Guess what? Again no mention of Republic forces.
In short, only Jedi are mentioned as present, there's precedent of Jedi armies existing at the time and the only thing saying there might have been non-Jedi forces present is your own, baseless speculation. Everything points of Jedi, nothing to Republic. You have no argument. Now can we please stop monopolising the thread over this?
Originally posted by mikemikeer
The fact that the writers carelessly retconned the idea that the jedi did not meet the sith empire until the GSW, is just retarded.
Well as Q99 pointed out thats been retconned before so....
No baseless speculation about it. It says the Jedi laid siege which would just imply the Jedi are in charge not that they are the only ones.
That no one else isn't mentioned doesn't mean they weren't involved, only that Khem Val didn't find them important enough to mention. Ultimately, I see nothing that precludes the possibility that others besides the Jedi were involved. I am not, however, stating that there necessarily were others just that we can't say for sure that it was only Jedi.
Originally posted by mikemikeer
The fact that the writers carelessly retconned the idea that the jedi did not meet the sith empire until the GSW, is just retarded.
Agreed.
It's been retconned, but always in a way that left the lack of knowledge between the HYD and Naga, which is a very critical part of the timeline.
Hm, maybe stick him in post-Naga? Have the empire survive Naga's fall for a bit, he takes charge, Jedi kill him.
Mostly it's a result of lazy writers forgetting they're early in the timeline before a point where you could just drop in Jedi-Sith conflicts randomly.
Originally posted by Q99
It's been retconned, but always in a way that left the lack of knowledge between the HYD and Naga, which is a very critical part of the timeline.Hm, maybe stick him in post-Naga? Have the empire survive Naga's fall for a bit, he takes charge, Jedi kill him.
Mostly it's a result of lazy writers forgetting they're early in the timeline before a point where you could just drop in Jedi-Sith conflicts randomly.
Speaking of lazy writing, I've yet to finish Legacy.
^ True. 👆
Forgot about Kallig (one of Hords generals for those unfamiliar with him).
Originally posted by ares834
No baseless speculation about it. It says the Jedi laid siege which would just imply the Jedi are in charge not that they are the only ones.
No. It does not imply the Jedi were just in charge in the slightest or that they were not the only ones there. There is no implication. Now it does not necessarily imply that they were the only ones there or that it isn't a possibility that an army was with them. However since they are the only ones mentioned the possibility of an army is just speculation. And it is baseless. Theres nothing indicating the Jedi were in charge of an army rather than just being the whole army themselves.
Meanwhile the Jedi are the ones mentioned as being there, Khem specifically says there was only Jedi there and theres an example of a 1000 strong Jedi army at the time to add credence to the idea that it was the Jedi and just the Jedi.
Originally posted by ares834
That no one else isn't mentioned doesn't mean they weren't involved, only that Khem Val didn't find them important enough to mention.
True, but theres nothing indicating they were involved either other than your completely groundless speculation.
Originally posted by ares834
Ultimately, I see nothing that precludes the possibility that others besides the Jedi were involved.
Except for Khem Val saying the was only Jedi blood in Tulak Hords wake.
Originally posted by ares834
I am not, however, stating that there necessarily were others just that we can't say for sure that it was only Jedi.
Just as I don't 100% discount the idea that there were others, just that the evidence only indicates there were Jedi there and suggests they were alone. I don't think there were Republic troops there for the same reason I don't think there were Mandalorians or the Flying Spaghetti Monster fighting with the Jedi: The fact that theres absolutely nothing indicating that they were while evidence suggests they were not.
Originally posted by msparks92817
It's been established that Hord existed long before Ragnos' empire. Kallig was buried on Dromund Kaas for "thousands of years" when the Emperor found his grave.
When did Vitiate find the tomb. Because, if he found it shortly after the GHW, that would suggest that Kalling and thus Hord were around before the the Jedi Exiles came to Korriban...
And once again, Bioware shows its ineptness concerning the Ancient Sith.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Just as I don't 100% discount the idea that there were others, just that the evidence only indicates there were Jedi there and suggests they were alone. I don't think there were Republic troops there for the same reason I don't think there were Mandalorians or the Flying Spaghetti Monster fighting with the Jedi: The fact that theres absolutely nothing indicating that they were while evidence suggests they were not.
Except, I was merely discounting you suggestion that Tulak Hord killed at least hundreds of Jedi. As the possibility of others fighting alongside the Jedi remains.
Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that we don't actually see or know what happened. All we have to go on is hearsay from Khem Val.
When did Vitiate find the tomb. Because, if he found it shortly after the GHW, that would suggest that Kalling and thus Hord were around before the the Jedi Exiles came to Korriban...And once again, Bioware shows its ineptness concerning the Ancient Sith.
Through SWTOR and KOTOR, it was established I think that both Hord and Kallig existed after the Exiles.