Originally posted by Batman-Prime
With weakness exploration and if supes is on his worst or average Surfer will win, else he will be overpowered by the superior speed and strength.
What speed fts are you talking about with this Superman? Also, Surfer tossed a star/sun away from him like it was nothing, so I don't think strength is a deciding factor here. Also, what fts of this version of Supes make you believe he would tank Surfer blast. Scans please.
LOL. Speed and strength will not help superman in this battle. Surfer can match those without even trying. Its funny that when superman loses on here, it because hes at " his worst " or can only lose because of " weakness ". There is always an excuse for superman, he can ONLY lose because of this, he can only lose because of that?????. Surfer DOES NOT need to exploit anything to beat superman except supermans fans who shield the hell out of him to save him from losing. Surfer wins all day every day.
Originally posted by Decimus
Listen surfer is a spare wheel hell everyone in marvel is a spare wheel for the plot or whim of the writers. . Over time things that are viewed as limitations like transmutation, solar draining etc will eventually be negated because the character is progressively being tuned up then the other company will do something to negate that advantage and this is how the characters evolve through time. Transmutation has been resisted and so has energy draining and it will again hopefully people will put their biases away and understand the fundamental difference between the companies so that we don't have surfer vs superman another 10 years from now with the same shit I saw 10 years ago. This forum has a marvel bias and it has gotten better but its analogous to how women are suppose to be equals yet are still treated like cattle at the end of the day which is totally despicable but " whateves". It really shows the most when high tier characters are viewed as high heralds since everything has to be in reference to marvel hierarchy so even the tiers can't be neutral. Anyway just pointing it out still think there is hope for this place but don't you guys realize u are living in a loop of venting and circular logic. I mean do u feel like family or something being insanely irrational due to some want to be part of something larger? Idk you guys have fun if you consider this fun - ( random gif) peace 🙂
If you think Superman wins this just say it..
No need to lecture us with this shit.
Honestly speaking If Superman is able to draw in close enough to begin hyper fighting he should win this via pummeling the Surfer into KO status, but if the Surfer can keep this battle distanced, he should win this via solar drain. This really depends on their disposition towards each other at the time of the battle.