Originally posted by Q99
I will admit that her melee-oriented powerset isn't the best against lantern types. Constructs help avoid a lasso throw, and her martial arts skill and reflexes don't come into play too much since the lantern would mostly be avoiding close combat. Though in return she can block energy blasts very well.She can still overpower many of 'em, but it's a rough matchup against the stronger ones.
She also admitted that she couldn't beat him straight up. Sinestro isn't a random lantern.She admitted that she can't beat him straight up.
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Name one lantern she's overpowered.
The one on Khund in her series, Procanon Kaa, most obviously.
I just went through the entire encounter. She muses a bit about how Lanterns must be beaten with the mind, but she never says she can't beat him strait up, and her actual performance shows clear superiority.
He puts himself in a big construct and she beats him out of and knocks him down, overpowering him. Then she lets him get up and beat on her for a bit and she just tanks it all.
Diana without a doubt was stronger than that lantern (and he is described as a veteran).
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Also to go for Nu52 versions, there was the incident with Hal / Hal(though admittedly, Hal's been something of a chump post-reboot).
http://i.imgur.com/7eamltO.jpg
Lmao, ouch. Wonder Woman hitting Hal were it hurts in that first panel.
This is how that fight with clone sinestro ended. Wonder Woman wasn't able to free herself untill his ring was destroyed.
She did break some constructs earlier in the fight though, pretty easily:
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And she was trying diplomacy at that point, as well as protecting civilains, and the clones were not supposed to be any less powerful than the originals (though less skillful, granted).
If anything, it shows she does pretty well even when not taking the clone seriously (possibly because she recognized he didn't have the skill of the original, but she is fairly casually handling the constructs before the last).
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It has surprised me how few encounters she's had with lanterns, looking for examples, but the Clone Sinestro one and the Kaa one both show her as more than able to hold her own. The clone giving her trouble but her busting through some constructs, and Kaa simply outpowered.
Originally posted by Q99
The one on Khund in her series, Procanon Kaa, most obviously.I just went through the entire encounter. She muses a bit about how Lanterns must be beaten with the mind, but she never says she can't beat him strait up, and her actual performance shows clear superiority.
He puts himself in a big construct and she beats him out of and knocks him down, overpowering him. Then she lets him get up and beat on her for a bit and she just tanks it all.
Diana without a doubt was stronger than that lantern (and he is described as a veteran).
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Also to go for Nu52 versions, there was the incident with Hal / Hal(though admittedly, Hal's been something of a chump post-reboot).
Also hal was battling her evenly and sinestro was a far better green lantern than he was let alone with the yellow ring.
Originally posted by Q99
She did break some constructs earlier in the fight though, pretty easily:
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hereAnd she was trying diplomacy at that point, as well as protecting civilains, and the clones were not supposed to be any less powerful than the originals (though less skillful, granted).
If anything, it shows she does pretty well even when not taking the clone seriously (possibly because she recognized he didn't have the skill of the original, but she is fairly casually handling the constructs before the last).
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It has surprised me how few encounters she's had with lanterns, looking for examples, but the Clone Sinestro one and the Kaa one both show her as more than able to hold her own. The clone giving her trouble but her busting through some constructs, and Kaa simply outpowered.
Also how would protecting civilians or trying to talk to him means anything when he simply overpowered her with a construct.
LOL @ the clone simply giving her some troubles, he was going to kill her and Wonder Woman flat out said that Kaa couldn't be harmed untill his will faltered, a tactic that Thaal would laugh at.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]She weakened his will first by angering him, she flat out admitted that she can't beat him otherwise.
Huh, funny, that's not what she says.
Breaking some random constructs isn't enough here. Also the clones were less powerful than the original.
The Doomsday clone was stronger, and it was made by the same device.
Less skilled, yes, but less powerful? It may be the opposite.
Also how would protecting civilians or trying to talk to him means anything when he simply overpowered her with a construct.
The construct like she'd just overpowered two of?
She would've been able to break out. Not yet breaking out of one construct isn't enough here, not when she's just broken multiple.
And if she'd been aiming for the kill, considering she was pretty easily busting through his defenses before, what was stopping her from finishing the job before he even made that one? Not much. Not much at all.
LOL @ the clone simply giving her some troubles, he was going to kill her and Wonder Woman flat out said that Kaa couldn't be harmed untill his will faltered, a tactic that Thaal would laugh at.
Except she never says she can't win, just that the ring prevents him from being harmed. Which is a bit of an exaggeration, but she doesn't seem the least intimidated or put off by it, and then, y'know, she wins. Nor does she have a problem with his constructs before she makes him angry. And she additionally, after knocking him down, lets him stand up and just pound on her and even an angry GL's repeat attacks were simply tanked.
Seriously, the scans are right there, why are you trying to twist it into something it's not?
Your 'character X can't do what they actually do,' stance is silly.
And let's not forget, she's got a magic lasso that allow her to win against people who can't be harmed anyway, if it was the case, which we know it's not.
Originally posted by Q99"A foe that cannot be harmed", that's exactly what she says.
Huh, funny, that's not what she says.
The Doomsday clone was stronger, and it was made by the same device.Haha, it was specified to be as strong as superman from the beginning.Less skilled, yes, but less powerful? It may be the opposite.
The construct like she'd just overpowered two of?Simple constructs.
She would've been able to break out. Not yet breaking out of one construct isn't enough here, not when she's just broken multiple.And when she was unable to break one while he was killing her.
And if she'd been aiming for the kill, considering she was pretty easily busting through his defenses before, what was stopping her from finishing the job before he even made that one? Not much. Not much at all.And his lack of skill had him clumsy. What if he contained her from the start? We can play "what if" all day long.
Except she never says she can't win, just that the ring prevents him from being harmed. Which is a bit of an exaggeration, but she doesn't seem the least intimidated or put off by it, and then, y'know, she wins.By faltering his will, not overpowering him as you said.
Nor does she have a problem with his constructs before she makes him angry.She used the lasso to weaken his constructs.
And she additionally, after knocking him down, lets him stand up and just pound on her and even an angry GL's repeat attacks were simply tanked.A cannon fodder GL at best. If she had so much trouble with a random GL, I don't think she can win here.
Seriously, the scans are right there, why are you trying to twist it into something it's not?I posted the scan and you're twisting them, not me.
Your 'character X can't do what they actually do,' stance is silly.Hahaha, what? You're saying wonder woman could've broken through that last construct but choose not to? What kind of twisted logic is that?
And let's not forget, she's got a magic lasso that allow her to win against people who can't be harmed anyway, if it was the case, which we know it's not.The lasso is pretty much useless against lanterns since they can't be wrapped with their force-fields around them.
Diana takes the slight majority. Some of the posters, and by some I mean mostly one likes to downplay Diana and doesn't know how to read context, even though, he's an avid Wonder Woman reader.
!. Diana has already made Guy Gardner her *****!! (OMAC)
2. When Stewart went all out, the team didn't know how to react. They didn't fight back. (GL: Rebirth)
3. Kyle and Diana staged the fight. I can't remember the issue, but Kyle taught she was dead.
4. Diana did better against Amazo than Superman and Hal Jordan.
Originally posted by aztec
Diana takes the slight majority. Some of the posters, and by some I mean mostly one likes to downplay Diana and doesn't know how to read context, even though, he's an avid Wonder Woman reader.!. Diana has already made Guy Gardner her *****!! (OMAC)
2. When Stewart went all out, the team didn't know how to react. They didn't fight back. (GL: Rebirth)
3. Kyle and Diana staged the fight. I can't remember the issue, but Kyle taught she was dead.
4. Diana did better against Amazo than Superman and Hal Jordan.
She still lost twice.
I posted the scans of diana getting oneshotted from JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice, the fight you are mentioning is from GL V3 73.
Hal blew a hole in amazo, diana didn't do any better than that. She just lasted longer.
