Originally posted by Digi
The same goes for the reverse. As I said earlier, Q isn't a scrub, but Hal is pretty provably better. And it's delusional lowballing to think a hand bubble is going to do jack-all in this fight. They're basically the exact same power set.
Same power set different power source, Q has more physical options. It's not silly to see this, you seem to want to ignore the fact that Q has two hands while Hal only has one, but this fact will not disappear. Proving that Hal's constructs are greater is a feat within itself alone. Like I said Q could win this, and the notion that he could win is not something of an impossibility either. I'm not arguing that Q stomps Hal out but the advantage is his from the jump.
Disregarding ridiculous low feats from both I give a 5,5 to quasar due to his energy sourcce being inexaustable and him doesn't relying on imaginataion/willpower. There's always the option of power drain which might or might not work. Overall those are two of my favorite characters so no bias from me here
Originally posted by Stoic
Same power set different power source, Q has more physical options. It's not silly to see this, you seem to want to ignore the fact that Q has two hands while Hal only has one, but this fact will not disappear. Proving that Hal's constructs are greater is a feat within itself alone. Like I said Q could win this, and the notion that he could win is not something of an impossibility either. I'm not arguing that Q stomps Hal out but the advantage is his from the jump.
I honestly feel like I'm being trolled.
Of course Q could win. But it's absolutely not because he has two bands.
*fight begins*
*shields immediately go up, and Hal's encases him fully*
At that point, your entire strategy for Q is countered. There are maybe half a dozen other simple ways to counter it as well. But it doesn't need to go any further than that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How is using two bands an advantage over using a ring? By that standard captain mar-vell would beat hal too.
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Originally posted by Digi
I honestly feel like I'm being trolled.Of course Q could win. But it's absolutely not because he has two bands.
*fight begins*
*shields immediately go up, and Hal's encases him fully*At that point, your entire strategy for Q is countered. There are maybe half a dozen other simple ways to counter it as well. But it doesn't need to go any further than that.
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You feel like you're being trolled? listen we both have our opinions. This is the first time that i heard you say that Q had a chance to win during this entire thread, you gave him his props but continued on with Hal has the better feats that do not apply to Q and let's not make it seem like my reasoning for feeling like Q has the advantage is a silly one because I don't see it that way, nor will I. He has two hands to Hal's one. Saying that you feel as if you're being trolled makes me feel as if i should simply lie down and agree with everything that you are saying, and stow my opinion. You see what i mean? If not forget what I'm saying and continue with your opinion.
Originally posted by Stoic
You feel like you're being trolled? listen we both have our opinions. This is the first time that i heard you say that Q had a chance to win during this entire thread, you gave him his props but continued on with Hal has the better feats that do not apply to Q and let's not make it seem like my reasoning for feeling like Q has the advantage is a silly one because I don't see it that way, nor will I. He has two hands to Hal's one. Saying that you feel as if you're being trolled makes me feel as if i should simply lie down and agree with everything that you are saying, and stow my opinion. You see what i mean? If not forget what I'm saying and continue with your opinion.
I just think it's a completely absurd argument to make in Q's favor. I'm shocked that I'm hearing it defended so strongly from you. It makes no sense imo. Sorry if that's harsh, but yes, I'm doing double takes thinking this is an elaborate joke.
And yes, Q could win. He's powerful and versatile. I wouldn't give him a majority, but he could. But in no way, shape, or form is it because he has weapons on two hands. Hal can make hundreds of constructs simultaneously. Hell he can make a copy of his ring so that he DOES have two rings. And that also presumes Q's any better at his brain multi-tasking than Hal. Also, the ring doesn't have to be connected to constructs. If Q makes a hand bubble, Hal can still create remote constructs to shield or attack.
But really, a full body shield negates all of this. At that point, it's not about one hand blocking Hal's hand. it's Q having to overpower Hal's shields to do anything, which goes right back to feats and power, which favor Hal.
Originally posted by Digi
I just think it's a completely absurd argument to make in Q's favor. I'm shocked that I'm hearing it defended so strongly from you. It makes no sense imo. Sorry if that's harsh, but yes, I'm doing double takes thinking this is an elaborate joke.And yes, Q could win. He's powerful and versatile. I wouldn't give him a majority, but he could. But in no way, shape, or form is it because he has weapons on two hands. Hal can make hundreds of constructs simultaneously. Hell he can make a copy of his ring so that he DOES have two rings. And that also presumes Q's any better at his brain multi-tasking than Hal. Also, the ring doesn't have to be connected to constructs. If Q makes a hand bubble, Hal can still create remote constructs to shield or attack.
But really, a full body shield negates all of this. At that point, it's not about one hand blocking Hal's hand. it's Q having to overpower Hal's shields to do anything, which goes right back to feats and power, which favor Hal.
OkI understand why you feel this way. this is why i feel the way that i do. it's almost like that saying "anything you can do, I can do better". In Q's defense, this is why I see him having an advantage. i won't say this again. but imagine two boxers fighting, one has a broken hand, and can no longer throw punches with it, while the other has two hands with the ability of throwing punches twice as fast.
Hal could do all of the things that you say, but Q would be able to match him, and some. They both siphon energy, so that case my be closed due to no one knowing if that would be a viable tactic for either.
You and I know that Hal has more feats than Q, but we also know that Q has quite a few of his own to draw on. I have a problem with anyone raising certain feats up for Hal, while ignoring that Q may have been able to have performed as well against the guys that Hal has defeated. Why? Because their power sets are so similar.
This is what sticks out to me though. Hal has a limited charge, while Q doesn't. Q could force this fight to take place within the Quantum zone, and this would likely nail the coffin shut on this entire debate, because Q would have a huge advantage there. i have not quite decided who wins, but I don't think that either would have an easy time at winning this, and if it goes on for too long Q could, and would win by attrition.
I didn't ignore you saying that Hal could make another ring for his other hand, but how often has he ever done this? See what i'm saying?
Originally posted by StoicOn that underlined part, not really. At least, Hal's career isn't anywhere near as extensive as Quasar's in that regard.
OkI understand why you feel this way. this is why i feel the way that i do. it's almost like that saying "anything you can do, I can do better". In Q's defense, this is why I see him having an advantage. i won't say this again. but imagine two boxers fighting, one has a broken hand, and can no longer throw punches with it, while the other has two hands with the ability of throwing punches twice as fast.Hal could do all of the things that you say, but Q would be able to match him, and some. They both siphon energy, so that case my be closed due to no one knowing if that would be a viable tactic for either.
You and I know that Hal has more feats than Q, but we also know that Q has quite a few of his own to draw on. I have a problem with anyone raising certain feats up for Hal, while ignoring that Q may have been able to have performed as well against the guys that Hal has defeated. Why? Because their power sets are so similar.
This is what sticks out to me though. Hal has a limited charge, while Q doesn't. Q could force this fight to take place within the Quantum zone, and this would likely nail the coffin shut on this entire debate, because Q would have a huge advantage there. i have not quite decided who wins, but I don't think that either would have an easy time at winning this, and if it goes on for too long Q could, and would win by attrition.
I didn't ignore you saying that Hal could make another ring for his other hand, but how often has he ever done this? See what i'm saying?
Originally posted by Stoic
OkI understand why you feel this way. this is why i feel the way that i do. it's almost like that saying "anything you can do, I can do better". In Q's defense, this is why I see him having an advantage. i won't say this again. but imagine two boxers fighting, one has a broken hand, and can no longer throw punches with it, while the other has two hands with the ability of throwing punches twice as fast.Hal could do all of the things that you say, but Q would be able to match him, and some. They both siphon energy, so that case my be closed due to no one knowing if that would be a viable tactic for either.
You and I know that Hal has more feats than Q, but we also know that Q has quite a few of his own to draw on. I have a problem with anyone raising certain feats up for Hal, while ignoring that Q may have been able to have performed as well against the guys that Hal has defeated. Why? Because their power sets are so similar.
This is what sticks out to me though. Hal has a limited charge, while Q doesn't. Q could force this fight to take place within the Quantum zone, and this would likely nail the coffin shut on this entire debate, because Q would have a huge advantage there. i have not quite decided who wins, but I don't think that either would have an easy time at winning this, and if it goes on for too long Q could, and would win by attrition.
I didn't ignore you saying that Hal could make another ring for his other hand, but how often has he ever done this? See what i'm saying?
All the methods of Q's victory that you mention are completely possible.
Except the hands thing. That one remains impossibly irrelevant.
Originally posted by nwg202It's debateable. You need a high level of will power to actually control GL energy and some argue that high level Lanterns like Hal and Kyle can overwill a draining attempt, at the same time Henshaw was able to use the Manhunters to drain GL energy but Manhunters technology is made to neutralize Lanterns. I honestly have no idea if Quasar could drain a GL ring or not though.
Can't Quasar drain Hal?
Originally posted by Warlord
Yet the likes of amazo have depletted the ring in second.
Not saying the same will apply with quasar but there have been instances where no willpower was require to empty the ring's levels
Originally posted by Warlord
amazo gets their powers not their character traits unless there is somewhere specificcally mentioned and I've missed it. Hal might have overpowered him in one instance but he last the ring's full power in 3 pannels in another.
It depends on the writer
Originally posted by Warlord
again I can't find a direct reference to Amazo gaining Hal's willpower in the scans above.
And again Amazo has outright drained him dry also in another book.
It's not a wonder different characters write things differently
Mcduffie's Amazo whose sole purpose was to make wonder woman look good?
