Superman vs Kurse slugfest

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you would have to prove that the acceleration was 1mi/s^2....

But where did this 1 mi/s^2 acceleration come from? Incidentally, I hope that's a typo, and you meant m, not mi...mixing SI and imperial units is a sin!!! A dirty sin!!!

If you assumed 0.1mi/s^2? Or 0.01? How many Earth weights does that equate to? You see how frail the argument now becomes? What if they were accelerating at 5 m/s^2?

My point, I guess, is that the comic didn't have strict numbers - nad you have applied strict numbers to it. The margin of error is way too high for us to hang our hats on it - all we can say is that they moved the Earth. Still a good feat, better than I can do, but don't use it as a hard yardstick. Comic writers don't have science degrees, they make mistakes (like the infamous Flash in North Korea incident).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But where did this 1 mi/s^2 acceleration come from? Incidentally, I hope that's a typo, and you meant m, not mi...mixing SI and imperial units is a sin!!! A dirty sin!!!

If you assumed 0.1mi/s^2? Or 0.01? How many Earth weights does that equate to? You see how frail the argument now becomes? What if they were accelerating at 5 m/s^2?

My point, I guess, is that the comic didn't have strict numbers - nad you have applied strict numbers to it. The margin of error is way too high for us to hang our hats on it - all we can say is that they moved the Earth. Still a good feat, better than I can do, but don't use it as a hard yardstick. Comic writers don't have science degrees, they make mistakes (like the infamous Flash in North Korea incident).

Read the post above yours for explanation.

Originally posted by h1a8

They are not just pulling the Earth solo but but against both the Sun's gravity and Starbreaker's pull, both forces I DIDN'T ADD in the calculations as these would make the feat even greater.

I'm not going to go into the impossibility of applying real world physics to comic books but going by your explanation, has Thor (or Kurse for that matter) ever been put in a similar situation and faltered?

Originally posted by h1a8
Read the post above yours for explanation.

Yeah....but this sentence:

We know that it was more than that since the Earth is about 93 million miles from the Sun and they moved the Earth a good portion of that distance, and it took a small amount of time to

I'll break it down, oldskool style.

Is the Earth about 93 million miles? Yes. Factchecked.
'they moved the Earth a good portion of that distance'. A good portion? Proof?

'it took a small amount of time'. Did it? Proof?

I can show strongmen pulling airplanes or helicopters, but that doesn't mean they can lift them.

Then of course, there's the issue where WW, MM AND Superman, together, were unable to pull the Earth and failed.

Of course, you could argue that they were still weak from being dead, but Superman was at full strength.

but we....we were losing it....

Originally posted by Silent Master
I can show strongmen pulling airplanes or helicopters, but that doesn't mean they can lift them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah....but this sentence:

I'll break it down, oldskool style.

Is the Earth about 93 million miles? Yes. Factchecked.
'they moved the Earth a good portion of that distance'. A good portion? Proof?

'it took a small amount of time'. Did it? Proof?

If you read the comic, it shows that Starbreaker managed to move the Earth significantly close to Sun. His plan was to move it into the Sun.
In comics, we use real time unless there is some indication of time not being real time. It took a matter of minutes for Superman and Hal to move the Earth back into place.

Originally posted by h1a8
A lift is a pull against gravity which is harder than a lateral pull if the coefficient of friction is less than 1. But the calculation shows that Superman supplied a force sufficient to lift more than 50 Earth weights against the gravity of Earth.

If you read the comic, it shows that Starbreaker managed to move the Earth significantly close to Sun. His plan was to move it into the Sun.
In comics, we use real time unless there is some indication of time not being real time. It took a matter of minutes for Superman and Hal to move the Earth back into place.

Seriously? You're using that argument of real time? This ain't Hellblazer. Where does it say it took a matter of minutes? And then, how many minutes?

I am just trying to find out what your margin of error is. Is it 50 Earth weights+- 10 Earth weights (so a 20% margin of error)? +- 25 (so 50%)?

And yes, I have read it as well.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Seriously? You're using that argument of real time? This ain't Hellblazer. Where does it say it took a matter of minutes? And then, how many minutes?

I am just trying to find out what your margin of error is. Is it 50 Earth weights+- 10 Earth weights (so a 20% margin of error)?a +- 25 (so 50%)?

And yes, I have read it as well.

Bottomline: When Superman lets loose then he is always shown to be on a different level physically. The whole JL regards him as the strongest being on the planet. And that's saying a lot. I would put Kurse above average Savage Hulk but not necessarily above WWH in the strength dept.

Now if Superman was very close to Thor in strength then this fight would be a no brainer. But that's not the case. So it's a much better fight than most are giving it. At least say Kurse wins but it aint easy. That would be a lot better than saying Kurse spite stomps as this assumes that Superman is about equal to Thor.