Originally posted by Uriel005
not a matter of time though speed steal is taking kinetic energy. The hulk wouldn't have any of his strength if it gets dumped in an instant and he has no amp because his rage meter disappears as his brain neurons stop. Furthermore vibrating someone till the forces holding the atoms together break is just a matter of energy and the Flash can output as much as he needs to in terms of kinetic energy.
Flash would die of old age, before he had any effect that way, on WBH.
Also, the whole battlefield is bathed in Gamma radiation, from WBH. So how is Flash surviving radiation poisoning, the omni-directional blasts from the perpetual energy output from Hulk and on-top of all that, Hulk actually has more than a few feats of breaking dimensions so there's no chance the Speedforce dimension would be unharmed IF Flash could transport him there.
Also, even IF Flash took him there, it would be self-bfr on Flash's part as he too would be leaving the battlefield.
Flash has no chance of winning here.
If he hits Hulk, he gets his bones broken. If he tries energy stealing, he just gets overloaded (or dies of old age, if he tries to pace himself), if he tries to dump Hulk in the SpeedForce then he has to bfr himself too and if he just keeps dodging he will eventually tire.
Hulk wins this.
Originally posted by BentleyIs Barry some kind of nickname for your country bro?
If he vibrates Hulk's fist into his own brain... Then I guess something that conveniently counters such a tactic will be manifest from the naysayers?I'm assuming this is Wally of course, Barry loses against everything.
Originally posted by janus77except for the fact that its not instantaneously available... and its explained that Flash is pretty much impervious to the effects of self harm from impact... its how his IMP does not obliterate him on contact....
Flash has zero chance of stealing "kinetic energy" from someone who has limitless supplies of said energy.Flash would die of old age, before he had any effect that way, on WBH.
Also, the whole battlefield is bathed in Gamma radiation, from WBH. So how is Flash surviving radiation poisoning, the omni-directional blasts from the perpetual energy output from Hulk and on-top of all that, Hulk actually has more than a few feats of breaking dimensions so there's no chance the Speedforce dimension would be unharmed IF Flash could transport him there.
Also, even IF Flash took him there, it would be self-bfr on Flash's part as he too would be leaving the battlefield.
Flash has no chance of winning here.
If he hits Hulk, he gets his bones broken. If he tries energy stealing, he just gets overloaded (or dies of old age, if he tries to pace himself), if he tries to dump Hulk in the SpeedForce then he has to bfr himself too and if he just keeps dodging he will eventually tire.
Hulk wins this.
Originally posted by Uriel005
except for the fact that its not instantaneously available... and its explained that Flash is pretty much impervious to the effects of self harm from impact... its how his IMP does not obliterate him on contact....
I'd like to point out that Skarr already absorbed kinetic energy from WBH and did just fine, even hurting Hulk with said energy when unleashing it back.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Hulk has been beaten by sill crap too... Also its usually because Flash is dicking around and when finesse fighters dick around they lose to stupid things. Characters like Hulk have more lee-way because who cares if someone lands a lucky shot on them feels like a morning breeze but as you scale up the seriousness finesse characters tend to have the advantage so long as its physically possible for them to put an opponent down.IMP will hurt hulk
A serious flash could probably match the frequency of a thunderclap and ignore it.
His reaction speeds at top notch are better than braniac in cyberspace to the point of being able to completely outcompete him in every way simply by running through every single possibility before braniac can act so in all honesty even ignoring the attosecond debate/raw speed scans a direct comparison like that is outright absurd when you consider what it would take to duel braniac in cyberspace. Flash should not get hit at all in this if he's going in full tilt.Speed steal.. what is there to say the hulk becomes a statue and if Flash could do it to someone like impulse with a very high level of permanency then I don't see why he couldnt do the same thing to Hulk and its not like it would increase Hulk's rage to somehow break out because his neurons would be completely dead in the water so there would be no cognition for him to strength amp...
Speedforce dump- what can I say the only way in or out is to be a speedster or ridiculous high end tech. Its a dimension of energy so let hulk feel free to smash away not like it will accomplish anything.
If bloodlust were on and Flash was going for the kill
Vibrating Hulk's molecules into nothingness: Literally scatter his quarks and watch as the dark energy of the universe floats it all away.
What are hulk's options here.
Hope to tag him: as said before a serious flash should not be tagged by anything short of lightspeed. Hulk is fast but not quite that fast barring a lucky shot he's not landing hits.
Thunderclap- As said before Flash could probably match the frequency of it and shrug it off.
Tank the hits and hope flash makes a mistake or does not use any of his other options to bfr/ stop the hulk-unlikely when you consider that when Barry was in the speedforce he was running for years without stopping or getting tired.
One side has a lot more options than the other and I don't see it being overcome given the stips of the OP
As to the thread, I think if Flash tries to fight the Hulk, he loses. Like others have said, he's just recently muscled his way through a time stop/temporal attack.
Originally posted by zopzopYes to the first he has done those things on panel. Including vibration attack but that was to inorganic substances. Also Flash has fought the likes of Bizarro, Amazo, Superboy Prime and Grundy, why would the Hulk suddenly cause him to explode on contact if the others haven't Primes raw durability is >>>> Hulk sans the regen so I don't exactly see where this mythical durability is coming in. Before you ask how many times IMP 2x on superman level+ durability and knocked one into orbit, Speed steal on various occassions including a steal on an entire planet of speedsters to win a race, matter manip i.e. Wally's costume Barry in rebirth after he reforms his costume out of speedforce energy, wally formed leg braces to run with broken legs out of speed force energy, Speed force dump on Prime, Ran through time on several occassions w/out the cosmic treadmill most notably saving his mother and stopping himself from saving his mother.
Has Flash done any of that on panel?As to the thread, I think if Flash tries to fight the Hulk, he loses. Like others have said, he's just recently muscled his way through a time stop/temporal attack.
How many times has Hulk done a dimensional busting gamma blast... 1
right so if we want to talk about scarce feats lets just say that the speed steal alone, which isn't actually speed as much as kinetic energy that Flash can use to amp himself, is consistent enough to be counted as relatively standard and knocks the majority of Hulk's 1 off feats.
Furthermore OP states Flash is using everything at his disposal, this isn't even close to a fair fight for WBH.