Originally posted by Galan007
Nightcrawler's sonic impulses are what destroyed that dimension. Hulk was just responsible for redirecting those energies away from himself with his T-clap.The impressive part about that feat is that Hulk was able to tank being zapped by those dimension-busting sonic impulses.
What you said wasn't stated on panel. "Hulk didn't know his own strength". "Their battle destroyed an entire UNIVERSE".
Originally posted by carver9
What you said wasn't stated on panel.
Originally posted by carver9Nightcrawler: "That single thunderous handclap has deflected my sonic impulses--turned them back upon my own cosmos--a cosmos which is being ripped asunder!!"
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Originally posted by Galan007
Nightcrawler: "That single thunderous handclap has deflected my sonic impulses--turned them back upon my own cosmos--a cosmos which is being ripped asunder!!"
Hulk Thunderclap>>>>the sonic impulses he was being hit with. Hulk had the bigger role in destroying that universe as well as tanking the blast.
Originally posted by carver9redirecting and stopping something are two entirely different things... To give an example. Try jumping off a twenty foot ladder. Dead stop on your feet the first time around. After you recover several months later and a knee replacement surgery try it again but roll out at the end of it.... Seriously though its two entirely different things
Hulk Thunderclap>>>>the sonic impulses he was being hit with. Hulk had the bigger role in destroying that universe as well as tanking the blast.
Originally posted by carver9Saint is actually right about this one. Lets take my younger sister for example. We both studied martial arts for several years and I'm 6'1" weighing in at a solid 190 at the moment. She's 5'3" capping at about 104. I can bring my fist down at her full force and she can redirect it rather easily. That said if she tried to bring me to a dead stop she'd be left with a broken arm. Similarly if someone brings a bat and swings down at you if you hold your arm at a slight angle just enough to bring the end of the swing away from your body chances are you'll be ok try to hold your arm perpendicular to that same swing and you'll be sitting in the ER as they try to force the splinters of bone back inside your meat casing.
It would take greater forces to redirect another force imo.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Saint is actually right about this one. Lets take my younger sister for example. We both studied martial arts for several years and I'm 6'1" weighing in at a solid 190 at the moment. She's 5'3" capping at about 104. I can bring my fist down at her full force and she can redirect it rather easily. That said if she tried to bring me to a dead stop she'd be left with a broken arm. Similarly if someone brings a bat and swings down at you if you hold your arm at a slight angle just enough to bring the end of the swing away from your body chances are you'll be ok try to hold your arm perpendicular to that same swing and you'll be sitting in the ER as they try to force the splinters of bone back inside your meat casing.
Your example is helping my point. Hulk thunder clap had to have been >>>>the Sonics that he was being hit by...if not, he wouldn't have had the power to repel it.
Originally posted by carver9
Your example is helping my point. Hulk thunder clap had to have been >>>>the Sonics that he was being hit by...if not, he wouldn't have had the power to repel it.
If by greater you mean stronger, then you're wrong. The martial arts analogy was correct. You don't have to be physically stronger than an opponent to redirect their attacks.
Originally posted by carver9how is that helping you... My sister weighing 104 pounds cannot generate enough force to directly stop a hammerfist. At best she can redirect it... If she tried to stop it she would break her arm... Your comprehension needs work carver either that or a refresher highschool level physics course on forces.
Your example is helping my point. Hulk thunder clap had to have been >>>>the Sonics that he was being hit by...if not, he wouldn't have had the power to repel it.
Originally posted by Uriel005
how is that helping you... My sister weighing 104 pounds cannot generate enough force to directly stop a hammerfist. At best she can redirect it... If she tried to stop it she would break her arm... Your comprehension needs work carver either that or a refresher highschool level physics course on forces.
Hulk had to power through the attack in order to do what he did. This doesn't have a thing to do with what you are trying to prove. I agreed with you and Galan a long time ago but I just disagree with your analogy of the power Hulk had to exert hen pulling off that ft.
Also, lol, Pr...I'm not doing what you are claiming. The only thing carver9, the master debater, is doing is proving a valid point. If you want to join the fray, please do but don't ban me when I destroy you ( I plan on changing my name to pridecrusher).
Originally posted by carver9your comment was that the redirection of force required greater force to do so.. That is blatantly false unless it was directly back at his opponent. which it wasn't. Also the wording would have helped it more if it said reflect rather than deflect. Deflect just means to alter course reflect means to change course usually in the opposite direction.
Hulk had to power through the attack in order to do what he did. This doesn't have a thing to do with what you are trying to prove. I agreed with you and Galan a long time ago but I just disagree with your analogy of the power Hulk had to exert hen pulling off that ft.Also, lol, Pr...I'm not doing what you are claiming. The only thing carver9, the master debater, is doing is proving a valid point. If you want to join the fray, please do but don't ban me when I destroy you ( I plan on changing my name to pridecrusher).
Originally posted by carver9
Your example is helping my point. Hulk thunder clap had to have been >>>>the Sonics that he was being hit by...if not, he wouldn't have had the power to repel it.
No.
He didn't repel it - he changed the course of its direction.
It's the same way a breeze can change the course of a sniper bullet.
Or the same way you can deflect asteroids with a small nudge.
But regardless - the original point still stands:
The Flash, when stealing KE, shunts it through the Speed Force, which is a dimension that encompasses many different universes (so not just a dimension as in the Dark Dimension, or Cytorakk's realm). When the Flash goes to a different Earth, he still can access the Speed Force, because it is a multiversal dimension.
The Hulk has never shown that he is able to overload something that massive.
Depending on which Flash you use, he could speed steal just by looking at his opponent. No need to touch.
And the speed steal isn't an energy bolt that the Hulk can get angry at and power through. As far as the Hulk is concerned, his frame of reference tells him that he's still moving towards the Flash - only, to everyone else, that split moment has now been stretched into infinity.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No.He didn't repel it - he changed the course of its direction.
It's the same way a breeze can change the course of a sniper bullet.
Or the same way you can deflect asteroids with a small nudge.
But regardless - the original point still stands:
The Flash, when stealing KE, shunts it through the Speed Force, which is a dimension that encompasses many different universes (so not just a dimension as in the Dark Dimension, or Cytorakk's realm). When the Flash goes to a different Earth, he still can access the Speed Force, because it is a multiversal dimension.
The Hulk has never shown that he is able to overload something that massive.
Depending on which Flash you use, he could speed steal just by looking at his opponent. No need to touch.
And the speed steal isn't an energy bolt that the Hulk can get angry at and power through. As far as the Hulk is concerned, his frame of reference tells him that he's still moving towards the Flash - only, to everyone else, that split moment has now been stretched into infinity.
So this topic is basically Hulk vs speed steal? Even though Hulk has better fts than this (taking away his speed), we are just going to assume it is something that'll work? Yeah right.
Originally posted by carver9
So this topic is basically Hulk vs speed steal? Even though Hulk has better fts than this (taking away his speed), we are just going to assume it is something that'll work? Yeah right.
Well, it was an unanswered strategem. Flash has other options beside the Speed Steal. But the beauty of it is, there is nothing for the Hulk to react against - its not force meeting force. The Hulk's strength and powers come from his emotional state- the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets, after all.
But to get angry, or to ramp up his strength/durability/whatever, he needs time. I'm NOT saying he needs minutes, or even seconds, or even milliseconds - but when the Flash is THAT fast, even a nanosecond is enough time for him to do his thing. He could outreact an Amazo who also had his speed, and leave him frozen instantaneosly:
And imagine if the Hulk is trapped in a moment. As far as the Hulk is concerned, from his point of reference, he is still in normal time. So he won't be getting angrier, because he wouldn't realise his speed is gone.
From the Flash's point of view, and anyone else's, he is a statue.b And he doesn't even have to touch the Hulk: