^ As far as I've seen, he's only used it against humans. And I've typically found that when it comes to top tiers, a great degree of physical durability will go hand-in-hand with a commensurate level of magical durability. And when it comes to divine godly beings, this is usually enhanced.
The only obvious exception being Kryptonians. First Born certainly fits the mold of a top tier durable character and a divine godly being. And I've seen nothing that suggests he's particularly vulnerable to magic.
Granted, Billy did quite well, all things considered. To me, though, it actually looks like Superman gained a fairly clear upper-hand with his last punch, after he got pissed. (Btw, I still laugh at the 3rd scan every time I see it.)
We must also consider that DCnU Superman is still vulnerable to magic:
And given: a.) Billy is a magical being, and b.) we saw his magical lightning sparking all about each time he punched Superman, it'd be logical to assume that weakness exploitation in the form of magic *might* have played a factor in how well he did against Supes.
Mind you, I am in no way trying to say that they are in completely different tiers. I believe they are inherently close to the same level--with the slight nod to Superman--but Billy's magic is able to bridge that gap, and put them roughly on par with one another.
Yea, Superman got pissed and knocked him down but Billy completely shrugged it off. And this was while he was using one arm to fight off Diana lassoing him from behind. Still a good showing for Superman but that encounter doesn't tell me anything besides that the two of them are very close in physical stats.
I have absolutely no doubt that if the positions were reversed and Billy started the fight with a massive flying sucker shot, we'd be hearing arguments about how Superman was at least as strong as Captain Marvel. Wait, I take it back. We'd be hearing arguments about how Superman is stronger because Wonder Woman had to help out.
I do find it weird that Superman's mystical weakness was not even brought up however.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo one said Billy was KO'd, or that he sustained any lasting damage. However, Superman's punch did knock him down for a decent amount of time(relative to the other punches delivered during that skirmish, of course)-- long enough for Supes and all of the other heroes to walk up to him and begin talking shit.
Yea, Superman got pissed and knocked him down but Billy completely shrugged it off. And this was while he was using one arm to fight off Diana lassoing him from behind. Still a good showing for Superman but that encounter doesn't tell me anything besides that the two of them are very close in physical stats.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSuperman's weakness to magic doesn't need to be specifically mentioned for us to know it exists.
I do find it weird that Superman's mystical weakness was not even brought up however.
Anywho, I'm not saying weakness exploitation undoubtedly played a factor during that encounter, but an argument could certainly be made.
Originally posted by Cogitolol Cap took a massive punch from Supes and called him a jerk, didn't take any visible damage. Adam is superior to both of them. I don't know if he can win here but he'd do better than Supes or Marvel would.
Marvel vs. Superman was just writer's establishing the general character. But this is still the guy who has the mentality of a ten year old, who has no idea how to fight, has no idea what powers he has, no idea how to use the powers he knows he has, etc.
Originally posted by TrevorPhillipss
lol Cap took a massive punch from Supes and called him a jerk, didn't take any visible damage. Adam is superior to both of them. I don't know if he can win here but he'd do better than Supes or Marvel would.
Both took punches and showed no damage. Physically, they're peers. Superman has definitely showed vastly superior speed at this point (both in that fight and other feats), while Billy has powers he doesn't yet know about/know how to use.
Anyways, Superman doesn't matter here. It's Black Adam and First Born, and neither has a long enough history of feats to say much.
Originally posted by Cogito
Both took punches and showed no damage. Physically, they're peers. Superman has definitely showed vastly superior speed at this point (both in that fight and other feats), while Billy has powers he doesn't yet know about/know how to use.Anyways, Superman doesn't matter here. It's Black Adam and First Born, and neither has a long enough history of feats to say much.
I just hated how he was beaten. Comic book inconsistencies for the loss.
