Don't write off Tol Braga. You say the HoT is relevent but watch his fight versus Braga:
The HoT is on the back foot at the start of the fight.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
EU Rots Yoda wtf lol.Yoda wins in a tough fight. Really its Hero and Satele Vs Yoda.
Palpatine is at least near light speed by reaching an impasse with EU RotS Windu. By equalization, Yoda will also be at least near light speed.
EU RotS Mace's combat speed was at least 24 times faster than Anakin could perceive. Anakin can perceive "near-relativistic" ships.
. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once. The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine? Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force.RotS Novelization
...
Impasse.
Anakin is able to see a Eta-2 Actis/Tri-Fighter droid in slow motion. The passage specifically notes "at a respectable fraction of the speed of light."
They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react. But these particular pilots were far from merely human.RotS Novelization
The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.
He had the Force to guide him through, and the tri-fighter had only itsRotS Novelization
electronic reflexes-but those electronic reflexes operated at roughly the
speed of light. It stayed on his tail as if he were dragging it by a tow
cable.
Tie Fighters and X-Wings are only 100 MGLT. Eta-2s (Jedi Interceptor) and Tri-Fighter droids are 125 MGLT. Luke isn't even as fast as Anakin at this point and is able to see a sublight ship in slow motion.
Luke reached out. The Force was here, as it was everywhere, and it was no harder to touch deep in space than it was in the swamps on Dagobah. He let it fill him. The TIE fighters suddenly seemed to be moving slower. Luke’s hands flew over the controls; he moved the stick with sharp and precise movements. Swung to his starboard and lit the lasers, double-tapped the fire button.Shadows of the Empire ( Set at 3.5 ABY )Lines of fire lanced out and shattered one, two of the four TIE fighters. The explosion spat a hard spray of wreckage at him as Luke looped away. Shards of the destroyed TIEs sleeted against the X-wing’s transparisteel canopy, a meal and plastic hail.
X-Wings speeds are "near-relativistic," so the Eta-2 Actis/Tri-Fighter droid will do the same as well. Human pilots assisted by computers in the passage.
Mindor
Even with all these advantages, the overwhelming odds took their toll. Some X-wings were lost to friendly fire, as they were traveling too fast for the Slash-E gunners-or even their own superb reflexes-to react as they swept through the quad turrets' fields of fire. Some were lost to simple collisions, flying at near-relativistic speeds through very, very crowded space. Almost half of the Twenty-third's Green Squadron was taken out by a mass of asteroids that didn't co-here into a planetoid as quickly as the navicomps had predicted.
Various characters flying a sublight ship at over 40% speed of light
"... We're five light-seconds out..."
"Which means that explosion happened what, twelve seconds ago now?"
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
I meant scaling Yoda's speed based off of Mace's RotS impasse to Palpatine, whom Yoda fought equally in dueling skill. Anakin is present in novelization ( Expanded Universe ). Also scaling from Anakin's ability to perceive sublight ships in slow motion.Palpatine is at least near light speed by reaching an impasse with EU RotS Windu. By equalization, Yoda will also be at least near light speed.
EU RotS Mace's combat speed was at least 24 times faster than Anakin could perceive. Anakin can perceive "near-relativistic" ships.
RotS Novelization
Please point out to me when Anakin was observing this, I'm hugely curious:
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
I meant scaling Yoda's speed based off of Mace's RotS impasse to Palpatine, whom Yoda fought equally in dueling skill. Anakin is present in novelization ( Expanded Universe ). Also scaling from Anakin's ability to perceive sublight ships in slow motion.Palpatine is at least near light speed by reaching an impasse with EU RotS Windu. By equalization, Yoda will also be at least near light speed.
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
EU RotS Mace's combat speed was at least 24 times faster than Anakin could perceive. Anakin can perceive "near-relativistic" ships.
RotS Novelization
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Anakin is able to see a Eta-2 Actis/Tri-Fighter droid in slow motion. The passage specifically notes "at a respectable fraction of the speed of light."
RotS Novelization
"By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react."
Tri-Fighter's normal flight speed is 1180 km/h. Its top speed (with boost) is 37,000 km/h.
Speed of light = 1,080,000,000 km/h.
Fraction = A small or tiny part, amount, or proportion of something.
Respectable fraction = hyperbole
Understand?
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Even the Tri-Fighter droid reflexes won't do, and they have almost light speed reflexes.
No droid can move at speed of light or even react so fast.
While hyperdrive technology can permit any starship to exceed speed of light, its an entirely different plane of work or action which is totally detached from how a starship can normally perform with its functions. Therefore, this speed reference is absolutely irrelevant to combat scenarios.
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Tie Fighters and X-Wings are only 100 MGLT. Eta-2s (Jedi Interceptor) and Tri-Fighter droids are 125 MGLT. Luke isn't even as fast as Anakin at this point and is able to see a sublight ship in slow motion.
Shadows of the Empire ( Set at 3.5 ABY )X-Wings speeds are "near-relativistic," so the Eta-2 Actis/Tri-Fighter droid will do the same as well. Human pilots assisted by computers in the passage.
Mindor
It is common knowledge that The Force permits a Force-user to perform actions that are beyond their natural physical abilities. The Force is everywhere in Star Wars universe so a Force-user tapping into The Force gets advantage over any machine or whatever in all aspects.
Analogy: when Revan reached out with The Force at galactic scale to find Meetra, he did so at moment's notice. Now this tapping act would trump all machines in speed/movement aspects (even those which machines which would be in hyperspace motion).
Anakin was not able to see Windu and Sidious properly with his eyes but he could anticipate their actions by using The Force. [Precognition].
Force-users can not just anticipate actions of opponents with high clarity by using The Force but they can augment their physical movements by using The Force. Higher the Force Mastery aspect, better a Force-user is able to react to situations which are beyond his/her physical abilities.
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Various characters flying a sublight ship at over 40% speed of lightMindor ( same author as RotS novelization )
Originally posted by Nephthys
In that case, reported for making a spite thread. This character can solo the entire mythos with one hand.
Satele is "unbelievably fast" even by Force-user standards in canon. I guess that HoT and Braga can hang with her.
It is important for us to figure out the mysterious of The Force. Force-users can go far beyond their physical abilities by using The Force.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I love you Legend.
I can expand further on this subject, should the need arise.
I have also figured out the talent of Saesee Tiin; his so-called lightspeed reaction wasn't exactly that. He used "Force navigation meditation technique" to navigate better then a starship during hyperspace routes.
The starships are in space in all those instances instead of being on the planet.
A B-Wing is slightly slower than X-Wings at 91 MGLT.
These are merely computer assisted human pilots flying in space and not while on a planet.
Chask Fragan had barely begun to relax after the battle; he had just canceled the B-wing's HUD and was settling back in his pilot's couch, allowing a long whistling sigh to escape through the gill slits above his eyes, when Kort Habel fluted an unprintable expletive from the gunner's couch behind him.
"What now?" Chask half rolled toward his ventral side, twisting so that he
could see Kort's screens . .. but Kort wasn't looking at his screens. He was
looking at a brilliant white star that had suddenly bloomed entirely too close
to the coordinates of the Justice, five light-seconds away. "Hot staggering
glurd! What was that?"
"... We're five light-seconds out..."
"Which means that explosion happened what, twelve seconds ago now?"
A 100 MGLT X-Wing/Tie-Fighter can move at "near-relativistic" speed already. 3.5 ABY Luke was able call on the Force to see it in slow motion.
A 91 MGLT sublight ship is able to move at least 40% of the speed of light.
A Eta-2 Actis Jedi Interceptor/Tri-Fighter droid can move at 25% faster than the X-Wings/Standard Tie Fighters.
125 / 91 gives a 1.3736x faster speed than the B-Wing. ( 1.3736x40% or 54.9% )
Eta-2 Actis/Tri-Fighter droid should at least be capable of 50% of the speed of light even when rounded down further.