Originally posted by Damborgson
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsJake5.jpgYipee lol. Logans hair resisted the eyebeams better than the shield did.
Yup. In comparison, both Adamantium and Captain America's shield faltered.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the point where the timeline diverged, its no longer 616 mjolnir.You doubt Lord Wolverine and his indestructible hair? Srank is coming for you.
That doesn't change anything though. The entire run was using 616 characters, weapons, etc. Even when King Thor went back and assured that he didn't bring the Earth to its knees, he just went on living after that. He used the same Mjolnir, cap used the same shield, and Wolverine had the same hair. In other words, the shield that was broken, was caps 616 shield while the Mjolnir that was not, was also 616 Mjolnir. The events would've played out exactly the same had Thor not intervened.
Originally posted by Damborgson
That doesn't change anything though. The entire run was using 616 characters, weapons, etc. Even when King Thor went back and assured that he didn't bring the Earth to its knees, he just went on living after that. He used the same Mjolnir, cap used the same shield, and Wolverine had the same hair. In other words, the shield that was broken, was caps 616 shield while the Mjolnir that was not, was also 616 Mjolnir. The events would've played out exactly the same had Thor not intervened.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Then you don't know how marvel cosmology works. An alternate timeline automatically changes the characters. What-ifs are also just an example of that, they are 616 characters untill one point where they diverge. Gambit destroyed both mjolnir and shield in such a what-if, do you think he can do it to 616 mjolnir and shield too?
That's an arbitrary assumption. What-ifs are designed to be non-canon, non applicable stories. Some of them are exact copies of the 616 universe, some have completely different.
The point being, the divergence only stopped 616 characters from doing what they were already capable of doing. Meaning Thor can still shoot through the shield with the eyebeams, and Mjolnir can still resist them.
Scans of the gambit incident out of curiosity, but I don't see how that's relevant.
Originally posted by Damborgson
That's an arbitrary assumption. What-ifs are designed to be non-canon, non applicable stories. Some of them are exact copies of the 616 universe, some have completely different.The point being, the divergence only stopped 616 characters from doing what they were already capable of doing. Meaning Thor can still shoot through the shield with the eyebeams, and Mjolnir can still resist them.
Scans of the gambit incident out of curiosity, but I don't see how that's relevant.
Of course not, Reigning is a different universe altogether now just like Age of Apocalypse which was created from 616 characters too.
I don't have scans of it. I just saw it in the ownage thread a long time ago and you know how hard it is to search in that big thread.
Lol, so in the 2 minutes before Jake Olsen died (And King Thor intervened), Mjolnir magically became more durable. Has to be what happened. Instead of the writer, you know, considering it to be that tough. The same writer who mind you, had Mjolnir dent Captain America's shield.
That desperation man, that desperation. Mind you, Damborg, this is the same individual who has used Kismet's vision of a potential future as evidence.
The Reigning story line was the canon future for Thor and the only changes that occurred were seen by us, it's not even remotely comparable to a What If. The King Thor from the recent Gorr arc might even be the same Thor from the Reigning.
It should be noted, in Fear Itself, it was stated that inserting Uru into Captain America's shield actually made it more tougher then ever. The blood axe, Captain America's shield, Wolverine's claws and so on all explicitly failed to withstand King Thor's power, while Mjolnir was not scratched. Not a happy coincidence.
The hammer has definitely been broken more often then the other objects, but looking at it's track record, it's held up ridiculously well.
How many times would you repeat the same lie as me using "Kismet's future as an evidence for superman" rage? Putting me on ignore and then taking potshots at me? Classic.
Also lulz @ being canon future. No future in marvel is canon, they all are from a different universe. Lets see what marvel has to say about it.
http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)
Thus, his future as a tyrant was prevented (diverged into a separate timeline called Reality-3515, "the Reigning"😉.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They are all just alternate universes diverged from 616 just like alternate timelines like Reigning. Heck Quasar once journeyed to every what-if issue published by jumping to alternate universes.Of course not, Reigning is a different universe altogether now just like Age of Apocalypse which was created from 616 characters too.
I don't have scans of it. I just saw it in the ownage thread a long time ago and you know how hard it is to search in that big thread.
That doesn't change anything though. The way it went down was 616 King Thor enraged, killed Jake Olsen, and went on to rule Earth. Later, that same 616 Thor from his 616 timeline, goes on to prevent it from happening again. But at the end of the day, it still happened in a 616 universe. With 616 items, characters, and events to shape the histories of the characters involved.
It's not like a what if where the characters are still alternate realities that are just variations of the 616.
Ah ok. Yeah, it's a pain to go looking through it. Not the best evidence then without context of any sort lol.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Reigning story line was the canon future for Thor and the only changes that occurred were seen by us, it's not even remotely comparable to a What If. The King Thor from the recent Gorr arc might even be the same Thor from the Reigning.
That's what I've been going off of. He just happens to be missing the same arm and eye as reigning Thor? I can't confirm, but it'd make the most sense to me and it'd make sense that Aaron was trying to go that direction by bringing back King Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, so in the 2 minutes before Jake Olsen died (And King Thor intervened), Mjolnir magically became more durable. Has to be what happened. Instead of the writer, you know, considering it to be that tough. The same writer who mind you, had Mjolnir dent Captain America's shield.That desperation man, that desperation. Mind you, Damborg, this is the same individual who has used Kismet's vision of a potential future as evidence.
The Reigning story line was the canon future for Thor and the only changes that occurred were seen by us, it's not even remotely comparable to a What If. The King Thor from the recent Gorr arc might even be the same Thor from the Reigning.
It should be noted, in Fear Itself, it was stated that inserting Uru into Captain America's shield actually made it more tougher then ever. The blood axe, Captain America's shield, Wolverine's claws and so on all explicitly failed to withstand King Thor's power, while Mjolnir was not scratched. Not a happy coincidence.
The hammer has definitely been broken more often then the other objects, but looking at it's track record, it's held up ridiculously well.
So is it or could it be possible that Mjolnir becomes sturdier and/or more durable depending on how powerful the wielder is in terms of the amount of Odin Force that the wielder possesses to a certain extent?
I do recall it being stated that the shield had become stronger due to it being mended with uru, so the shield has to be weaker than the hammer as you just stated. But does this little fact offset the idea that Mjolnir may become sturdier while in the possession of Odin, or an Odin Force Thor?
Originally posted by Stoic
So is it or could it be possible that Mjolnir becomes sturdier and/or more durable depending on how powerful the wielder is in terms of the amount of Odin Force that the wielder possesses to a certain extent?I do recall it being stated that the shield had become stronger due to it being mended with uru, so the shield has to be weaker than the hammer as you just stated. But does this little fact offset the idea that Mjolnir may become sturdier while in the possession of Odin, or an Odin Force Thor?
Possible I guess, he did use Mjolnir to overcome the Destroyer's beam and decapitate it:
But in the example Damorg is referring to, it was simply Jake Olsen who used Mjolnir to block King Thor's onslaught:
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsJake5.jpg.html
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Possible I guess, he did use Mjolnir to overcome the Destroyer's beam and decapitate it:But in the example Damorg is referring to, it was simply Jake Olsen who used Mjolnir to block King Thor's onslaught:
http://s38.photobucket.com/user/RageOfTheGod/media/Thor/King%20Thor/KillsJake5.jpg.html
So if that were true, as RK Thor the hammer may even be more durable than the bracers. I mean, this is what I'm thinking due to the idea that the Destroyer was meant to be more durable than Mjolnir. If not, the hammer in the scan that you provided should have shattered upon impact instead of damaging the construct.
Take note* That I am just power scaling the might and durability of the hammer, and bypassed King Thor's levels within my theoretical scope by jumping up to Rune King Thor.
Originally posted by Damborgson
That doesn't change anything though. The way it went down was 616 King Thor enraged, killed Jake Olsen, and went on to rule Earth. Later, that same 616 Thor from his 616 timeline, goes on to prevent it from happening again. But at the end of the day, it still happened in a 616 universe. With 616 items, characters, and events to shape the histories of the characters involved.It's not like a what if where the characters are still alternate realities that are just variations of the 616.
Ah ok. Yeah, it's a pain to go looking through it. Not the best evidence then without context of any sort lol.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The effects of the Necrosword/Godbomb eventually killed Thor. All-Father Thor revived him soon after.
Originally posted by Galan007
This isn't true.GotG is one example, of many.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_(1969_team)
Reed has confirmed that even going a second in future makes you go into an alternate universe.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. As soon as King Thor changed the past, the whole reality altered and it was reality 3515's mjolnir which was diverged from 616 which got attacked. Those events still happened, only in an alternate universe. Those scans aren't canon to 616 reality anymore than age of apocalypse is canon to 616.
That doesn't really counter anything I said. And seeing as how that's more or less the same argument you've posted, just slightly re-worded, that's concession accepted Abhi-Chan 👆
Originally posted by Damborgson
That doesn't really counter anything I said. And seeing as how that's more or less the same argument you've posted, just slightly re-worded, that's concession accepted Abhi-Chan 👆
Nice quan impression. Though you've done nothing to prove your case here. That mjolnir isn't 616 mjolnir, its a diverged timeline and its feats can't be attributed to 616 mjolnir.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Nice quan impression. Though you've done nothing to prove your case here. That mjolnir isn't 616 mjolnir, its a diverged timeline and its feats can't be attributed to 616 mjolnir.
He didn't coin it, he just abused it 😛
Whatever you feel like repeating Abhi-Chan 👆 All good.
