Doctors vs. Reeds

Started by Uriel0052 pages

Originally posted by Digi
I actually think Uriel is overstating the Doctor's power a little bit. That stuff about being able to see all of time and space at once is - I'm pretty sure - false (but I know where you're getting the idea, Uriel, I just think it's an incorrect interpretation). But most of what he said is correct, though.
kinda not really. it comes from a few books and the shows not just a one off deal. He can see it all he chooses not too also it would make him more than a little crazy. Still possible for him

Originally posted by Uriel005
kinda not really. it comes from a few books and the shows not just a one off deal. He can see it all he chooses not too also it would make him more than a little crazy. Still possible for him

But then when he took the time-space entirety into himself (Eccelston's regeneration) he burned up.

The one time he references it in the show (that I remember) it was more about seeing the "lines" of time, in reference to fixed points in history (It was in the Fires of Pompeii). It wasn't about knowing every possible outcome.

Uriel is wrong.

Digi is right.

Originally posted by Digi
But then when he took the time-space entirety into himself (Eccelston's regeneration) he burned up.

The one time he references it in the show (that I remember) it was more about seeing the "lines" of time, in reference to fixed points in history (It was in the Fires of Pompeii). It wasn't about knowing every possible outcome.

Bad writing needed because 9th wanted out. In general he can see time as it occurs and every deviation thereof it's been in a few of the comics and its been more and more common in the television series. 10th doctor in particular it comes up several times that he is seeing all time lines simultaneously. Of particular note off the top of my head was the christmas special the waters of mars when he saves the life of the few crew members he sees the newspaper changes remembers it and sees every variation thereof. Also it came up in the comics midway through the 10th doctor run. not sure if I even still have the Who comics but I'll check when I get home in December.

Uriel is lying.

Originally posted by Mindset
Uriel is lying.
he even explains it outright to Donna as well as she's burning out just from being a timelord. The process of moving from childhood to adulthood is looking into the untempered schism... and that is a much bigger rip than the little one sitting at the heart of the tardis which allows the timelords to experience well... everything kinda what everyone thought drove the Master mad before it was discovered to be Rassillon dickery. Also what was killing Rose was not just the vortex. It was the entity of the Tardis itself combined with gazing into time itself... Something that had the power to sustain a microcosm in a collapsing universe and keep looping time as it exploded again and again and again is not meant to be in a human head.

Reeds stomp.

Reeds ftw.

I'm pretty sure team 1 can come up with something at least as dangerous as those mad Celestials.

Originally posted by Uriel005
he even explains it outright to Donna as well as she's burning out just from being a timelord. The process of moving from childhood to adulthood is looking into the untempered schism... and that is a much bigger rip than the little one sitting at the heart of the tardis which allows the timelords to experience well... everything kinda what everyone thought drove the Master mad before it was discovered to be Rassillon dickery. Also what was killing Rose was not just the vortex. It was the entity of the Tardis itself combined with gazing into time itself... Something that had the power to sustain a microcosm in a collapsing universe and keep looping time as it exploded again and again and again is not meant to be in a human head.

In none of the instances you mention is it clear that he can see every potential outcome beforehand. In a couple cases, it's even self-refuting, because he doesn't "see" the one lady killing herself at the end of Waters of Mars. And the schism isn't the same as as the entirety of space-time being inside you at all times. He can perceive time as it unfolds, and see things like fixed points. That's about as far as we can say without getting wildly speculative.

What you're talking about is omniscience, which is silly even by the Doctor's standards.

Lastly, "lol bad writing" doesn't change primary canon by the most influential showrunner in the show's history. I refuse to concede the Eccelston point.

One Reed would do something crazy, try to think what a bunch of Reed, bent on murder and destruction, would do.

This shit is so insane that I can't even think of something. Like, they would make an Anti-Living Tribunal suit with Ultimate Nulliefer at the ends of every single fingers, or something like that. And they would put guns. A lot of guns. And then put guns on top of the guns.

There's not enough ray guns for a Reed Richards. Let alone for a bunch of them.

You're talking to yourself at this point, I think, Boubou.

Originally posted by Mindset
Actually, Ben Grimm messed with Doom's machine.

Good point. Are Reeds allowed to use Ben Grimm in this fight?