Sentry vs Gorr

Started by dial J for Josh4 pages
Originally posted by h1a8
Those who say Gorr wins doesn't read comics. Sentry at peak was greater than MM and can reform instantly from molecular disintigration and can overpower MM as well. There is no way Gorr could permenantly kill Sentry (if at all). Sentry at peak would spite stomp Gorr and disintegrate him.

Lol I dont read comics? Sentry is my favorite character and I am not a biased person, but can actually tell you that bob loses here. Playing abc logic is the worst thing you can do in a fight. With this logic Sentry should easily kill Thanos, WBH, Odin, or any other ridiculously powerful being. While Sentrys matter manipulation is cool and impressive, it was a one off and no one truly knows the boundaries of that particular power. There may be certain instances where he is able to utilize that specific power set or what not. But no one really knows until it is further expanded upon by which ever writer chooses to do so. So as much as I love Sentry he is not going to destroy a guy who was making skyfathers look more free than foodstamps.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
and I am not a biased person

Not to take away from your point, which is all well and good, but this is crap. Everyone is biased. Some people flaunt it more than others, some people even try to hide it by deliberately picking against their favoritism, but everyone has it.

More than simply favoring one side versus another, merely knowing more about one provides a basis for bias. After all, how can anyone claim to be unbiased without knowing everything there is to know about everything?

Anyways, continue on.

Originally posted by Cogito
Not to take away from your point, which is all well and good, but this is crap. Everyone is biased.

Speak for yoself!

I'm not biased... Btw Thor wins.

Yes I know it's a Sentry vs Gorr thread.

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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Speak for yoself!

I'm not biased... Btw Thor wins.

Yes I know it's a Sentry vs Gorr thread.

😎

Thor did win 👆

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Lol I dont read comics? Sentry is my favorite character and I am not a biased person, but can actually tell you that bob loses here. Playing abc logic is the worst thing you can do in a fight. With this logic Sentry should easily kill Thanos, WBH, Odin, or any other ridiculously powerful being. While Sentrys matter manipulation is cool and impressive, it was a one off and no one truly knows the boundaries of that particular power. There may be certain instances where he is able to utilize that specific power set or what not. But no one really knows until it is further expanded upon by which ever writer chooses to do so. So as much as I love Sentry he is not going to destroy a guy who was making skyfathers look more free than foodstamps.

Who would win a fight: Superman or Hulk?

Most of the people side with Superman, due to his versatility and more so his speed, which totally leaves the Hulk behind. He does not operate as fast as Superman does, when they're fighting at their best.
Does Hulk have the feats to compete with Superman? Sure, hell he even has feats to surpass Superman, but in the end of the day he is still slower and loses the fight, because of that.

And now here we have Sentry versus Gorr... Who would win in that fight <___>

We have the Sentry, who is overall a much, much, much faster character than Thor and Gorr. He would outpace Gorr big time, if fighting at his peak. And it wouldn't even need to be a physical combat.
Sentry has the power of the molecule manipulation. People like to say that his molecular powers are hard to judge, but he realized that he has them by the end of the Dark Avengers comics and from that point on he already used them few times. Once as the Sentry to defeat the Molecule Man, someone who is more powerful than skyfathers - as the Void he erased alien tech from the existence and also used it to kill Loki.
All that in few issues, since there didn't come out all too much between Dark Avengers #13 and Siege #4, where he could have used it. So he basically never had the time to use more of it, but when he used it, he did work with it.

I give Sentry the win in this fight.
Yes, Gorr is impressive, but he can't compete with a peak Sentry, who destroys planets, while still holding back, erases the memories of everyone, no matter how strong their resistances are, easily overpowers beings, who are above skyfathers, and even in a weakened state stalemates WW Hulk and the Collective, who easily defeated Binary, who is a planet buster as well.

Hell, the Absorbing Man, who always gave Thor a fight and even absorbed Odin's powers without problems was impressed by a fraction of Sentry's power and saying that he never felt power like that before and that it's amazing to feel like a god, but then when Sentry cut loose, he easily overloaded the Absorbing Man.
That feat is INSANE.

He bullrushed through Doctor Doom's force fields, which protected him from an amped up Captain Britain and sent him flying across the planet, deflected Thor's hammer, protected him from the Watchers attacks, from Galactus' attacks and hell even from Thanos, who had the Infinity Gauntlet at that point.

Hell, Sentry even DESTROYED the Void in a brawl, who made Thor look like a sissy and was just about to rip him apart, before Osborn called him off. The Void, who broke the Hulk in a matter of seconds and stomped multiple Marvel teams at once.

Sentry is a God damn monster, when it comes to upper limits of showings and overall power.

Gorr was killing Gods, Hell lords for fun. Sentry defeated MM yes; here the thing Owen wanted to lose big difference, who hasn't beaten a passive MM. MM beings serious would have rage stomp Sentry, his evil persona would have scatter Sentry atoms across the Multiverse.

At peak Gorr was High Sky Father level and took on low Sky Father in King Thor, High Herald in current Thor and mid to low level Herald in young Thor in the heart of a sun and came out victorious. Sentry fighting that same team would have gotten a$$ raped.

Gorr wins

Everyone doesn't think Superman beats Hulk. That is a debatable argument. As far as Sentry vs Gorr goes, I honestly think this is a good fight. Gorr didn't come close to treating Thor the way Sentry did.

Gorr was also playing with each Thor when he fought them one on one. More intent on torture. He fought three of them at once. And for everyone saying how much faster Sentry is. Yes he is faster but in the God Butcher arc Old Thor sent Gorr light years away with a single blast and then him and present Thor flew there in a few seconds. And at s they were flying at beyond light speed, Gorr then percieved them and started throwing chunks of the moon at them. And if the side effect of regular physical attacks were breaking worlds thousands of miles away and shaking the stars, meaning plural meaning stars themselves are usually light years away from each other then I do not see Sentry doing anything close to physically replicate any of those feats outside of flying light years in a few seconds.

And as much as everybody would like to wank Sentry, it is not Gorr that is the problem it is the Necrosword, a weapon capable of creating billions of possibly low herald level beings. And since plenty of SkyFathers have been shown having a greater degree of matter manipulation than Sentry. I highly doubt he is just going to turn the Necrosword into a cupcake like you all wish he could. So put that in your molecular manipulating pipes and smoke it.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Lol I dont read comics? Sentry is my favorite character and I am not a biased person, but can actually tell you that bob loses here. Playing abc logic is the worst thing you can do in a fight. With this logic Sentry should easily kill Thanos, WBH, Odin, or any other ridiculously powerful being. While Sentrys matter manipulation is cool and impressive, it was a one off and no one truly knows the boundaries of that particular power. There may be certain instances where he is able to utilize that specific power set or what not. But no one really knows until it is further expanded upon by which ever writer chooses to do so. So as much as I love Sentry he is not going to destroy a guy who was making skyfathers look more free than foodstamps.
If you read the stipulations then you would see that we can use Sentry at his highest.
That means MM level. And yes Sentry at that level could easily disintegrate any skyfather with ease.

And you are not thinking correctly. Assume Sentry didn't attack at all. Then how would Gordon permanently put him down? Sentry would just reform at will.

Sentry beat a passive MM who wanted to lose on purpose, Sentry is no where near sky father level at his peak at best trans level, Gorr will gut Sentry and used his bones to pick his teeth. Gorr killed a God that was wrestling black holes for fun, hell Gorr killed a Elder God also!!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Sentry beat a passive MM who wanted to lose on purpose, Sentry is no where near sky father level at his peak at best trans level, Gorr will gut Sentry and used his bones to pick his teeth. Gorr killed a God that was wrestling black holes for fun, hell Gorr killed a Elder God also!!

You see, that's non-sense.

When it comes to the Sentry / Void during the Siege arc he actually wanted to lose. He told the Avengers to kill him and and later on in the Sun, he kept himself from resurrecting fully to save everyone from the Void.

Brian Michael Bendis, the writer of the Siege event confirmed that. He confirmed that Sentry was only defeated, because he wanted to die in the end.

When it comes to Molecule Man, that's not the case. Did he at any point say that he wanted to die? He immediately killed the Sentry at the beginning and reformed him back, to tell him that he has to kill him, otherwise Sentry might hurt him. He then killed him again.
Later on when Ms. Hand made a deal with him, he brought everyone back - including the Sentry, but at that point Sentry already had realized how the stuff was working and he attacked the Molecule Man, WHO FOUGHT BACK and tried to kill the Sentry yet again, but the Sentry reformed back immediately after and overwhelmed Molecule Man with sheer power.

Molecule Man was fighting all the way until the very end, where he was helpless, asking the Sentry how he is doing what he was doing to him. Telling the Sentry that he is the one, who controls the molecules and in the end the Sentry forced him to restore everything back, that he has done.

Where in hells name did you see Molecule Man wanting to lose there? I for sure didn't. He straight up got overwhelmed and Brian Michael Bendis - the writer of that arc also never said anything about Molecule Man wanting to die, but... he did say that Molecule Man was not depowered at that point.

With all of that being said:
I know what you have in mind, when you say that he wanted to lose - it's because his own imaginations told him that he subconsiously wants to fail, but the thing is when Molecule Man has such kinds of "mental limitations" he doesn't lose on purpose, or depower himself - his only limitation then is that he has major problem with organic matter. In my opinion that's also why he wasn't able to transform Daken properly, but at the same time he easily took care of everyone else, so not even that limitation was really present.

Summary:
Sentry at his best straight up defeated the Molecule Man, who is power-level-wise above Skyfathers.
Thanks to Sentry's molecule manipulation his power output and his overall versatility are too much for Gorr.

Sentry defeated a MM who wanted to lose which was stated on panel, second Sentry never used that ability ever again after that story arch. Sentry at peak with void is a solid trans level.

Peak MM would rape Sentry for all Eternity at his peak his battle with Beyonder would have collapse the Multi-verse on top of each other as a side affect, Peak Molecule or Evil Molecule Man was way above top abstracts like Eternity, Infinity, The Infinities etc. A passive MM has gotten his a$$ kicked more times than Darkseid which was PIS.

Lets not get carried away, Gorr was killing Gods, Hell Lords for fun; took on three Thor's that would have raped Sentry like a red headed step child, defeated a God that wrestled black holes for fun, and hell he was f**king with King Thor to the point his Thor-Force was diminished him to Low Sky Father or High trans levels. Sentry would have emotional breakdown trying to kill Thor, and before you know he is with the other remaining Gods building a new God bomb.

Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]Who would win a fight: Superman or Hulk?

Most of the people side with Superman, due to his versatility and more so his speed, which totally leaves the Hulk behind. He does not operate as fast as Superman does, when they're fighting at their best.
Does Hulk have the feats to compete with Superman? Sure, hell he even has feats to surpass Superman, but in the end of the day he is still slower and loses the fight, because of that.

And now here we have Sentry versus Gorr... Who would win in that fight <___>

We have the Sentry, who is overall a much, much, much faster character than Thor and Gorr. He would outpace Gorr big time, if fighting at his peak. And it wouldn't even need to be a physical combat.
Sentry has the power of the molecule manipulation. People like to say that his molecular powers are hard to judge, but he realized that he has them by the end of the Dark Avengers comics and from that point on he already used them few times. Once as the Sentry to defeat the Molecule Man, someone who is more powerful than skyfathers - as the Void he erased alien tech from the existence and also used it to kill Loki.
All that in few issues, since there didn't come out all too much between Dark Avengers #13 and Siege #4, where he could have used it. So he basically never had the time to use more of it, but when he used it, he did work with it.

I give Sentry the win in this fight.
Yes, Gorr is impressive, but he can't compete with a peak Sentry, who destroys planets, while still holding back, erases the memories of everyone, no matter how strong their resistances are, easily overpowers beings, who are above skyfathers, and even in a weakened state stalemates WW Hulk and the Collective, who easily defeated Binary, who is a planet buster as well.

Hell, the Absorbing Man, who always gave Thor a fight and even absorbed Odin's powers without problems was impressed by a fraction of Sentry's power and saying that he never felt power like that before and that it's amazing to feel like a god, but then when Sentry cut loose, he easily overloaded the Absorbing Man.
That feat is INSANE.

He bullrushed through Doctor Doom's force fields, which protected him from an amped up Captain Britain and sent him flying across the planet, deflected Thor's hammer, protected him from the Watchers attacks, from Galactus' attacks and hell even from Thanos, who had the Infinity Gauntlet at that point.

Hell, Sentry even DESTROYED the Void in a brawl, who made Thor look like a sissy and was just about to rip him apart, before Osborn called him off. The Void, who broke the Hulk in a matter of seconds and stomped multiple Marvel teams at once.

Sentry is a God damn monster, when it comes to upper limits of showings and overall power. [/B]

So taking everything you say at face value...

Sentry > Galactus, Thanos with the IG, and Odin?

Originally posted by the Darkone
Sentry defeated a MM who wanted to lose which was stated on panel, second Sentry never used that ability ever again after that story arch. Sentry at peak with void is a solid trans level.

1. It was never stated on panel, that Molecule Man wanted to lose. He was fighting until the end, but in the end he was helpless, when the Sentry attacked him.

2. Sentry (later on as the Void) used his molecule manipulation to destroy a Kree weapon and to kill Loki. Recently he used it to stop Mjolnir from hitting him.

3. Sentry at peak with Void doesn't even matter, because the Sentry is more powerful than the Void and not otherwise.

In the rest of your post there is even more weird stuff and I'm not going to waste my time adressing that nonsense.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So taking everything you say at face value...

Sentry > Galactus, Thanos with the IG, and Odin?

Wait you forgot Elder Gods, Many Angel Ones, the Watchers, Cube Beings, Celestials. But Sentry/Void was hurt by Norn Stones and phucked up by a Hellcarrier 😉

Originally posted by Enzeru
1. It was never stated on panel, that Molecule Man wanted to lose. He was fighting until the end, but in the end he was helpless, when the Sentry attacked him.

2. Sentry (later on as the Void) used his molecule manipulation to destroy a Kree weapon and to kill Loki. Recently he used it to stop Mjolnir from hitting him.

3. Sentry at peak with Void doesn't even matter, because the Sentry is more powerful than the Void and not otherwise.

In the rest of your post there is even more weird stuff and I'm not going to waste my time adressing that nonsense.

First of all was talking to you; I was make a general statement.

And Like I care what you think!!

I give it to Sentry

Gorr had trouble handling Young Thor

Then much latter in the arc he has to amp to get enough power to fight King Thor.

IMO Unless Gorr has acces to gods blood to amp himself he is only low- mid-herald

Originally posted by carver9
Everyone doesn't think Superman beats Hulk. That is a debatable argument. As far as Sentry vs Gorr goes, I honestly think this is a good fight. Gorr didn't come close to treating Thor the way Sentry did.

Supes beats Hulk.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Sentry defeated a MM who wanted to lose which was stated on panel, second Sentry never used that ability ever again after that story arch. Sentry at peak with void is a solid trans level.

Peak MM would rape Sentry for all Eternity at his peak his battle with Beyonder would have collapse the Multi-verse on top of each other as a side affect, Peak Molecule or Evil Molecule Man was way above top abstracts like Eternity, Infinity, The Infinities etc. A passive MM has gotten his a$$ kicked more times than Darkseid which was PIS.

Lets not get carried away, Gorr was killing Gods, Hell Lords for fun; took on three Thor's that would have raped Sentry like a red headed step child, defeated a God that wrestled black holes for fun, and hell he was f**king with King Thor to the point his Thor-Force was diminished him to Low Sky Father or High trans levels. Sentry would have emotional breakdown trying to kill Thor, and before you know he is with the other remaining Gods building a new God bomb.

If MM wanted to lose then why the hell did he kill Sentry? And be surprised like hell when Sentry reformed? This proves he wanted Sentry dead and was shocked to see him come back.

Second MM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any skyfather in existence. The mere fact that Sentry overpowered him proves Sentry >>>>>>>Skyfathers too.

Let's assume that Sentry isn't above MM. Then how would Gorr kill him when Sentry can just reform?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So taking everything you say at face value...

Sentry > Galactus, Thanos with the IG, and Odin?

If MM is then Sentry is
If MM isn't then Sentry neccesarily isn't.