Government Shutdown

I think this is a good thing..Obama has forgotten about Syria.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/obama-forgets-about-syria-aims-his-missiles-back-towards-the-us/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/world-war-ii-vets-storm-shuttered-memorial-washington-article-1.1472716

God Bless those Vets

So the 800,000 or so people on furlough is a good thing because Obama isn't talking about Syria now...

Right.

Republicans and Democrats are complete morons anyway, I'm sure they're still getting paid 😆

The might and power of United States of America... 🤣 😆

Idiots!

These democrats amuse me. Ever since the shutdown happened, they've been throwing whatever bullshit they can pick up at the republicans to make them look bad. One of them is the longer the government is inactive, republicans threaten the safety of children who are cancer patients and the republicans respond to that by passing a bill that will help said children but now the stupid dems want to abolish it. WTF? haermm

Republicans don't need any help looking like idiots. They look like complete ****ing morons in this debacle.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Republicans don't need any help looking like idiots. They look like complete ****ing morons in this debacle.

So are the democrats. In truth, both sides are stupid. You just have to decide which one is less retarded than the other.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
So are the democrats. In truth, both sides are stupid. You just have to decide which one is less retarded than the other.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Having to decide on a ruling party based on which one is less stupid is a horrible way of running things.

It's not my fault Obama's administration led me to that belief and made me shift toward Republican.

The Democrats and The Republicans are both to blame if you ask me. No budging on either side to meet half way on anything. If they could have worked together and had the peoples best interests in mind...everyone would be a lot better off. I may be wrong but can foresee this shutdown going on for a long time.

If only this were the '60s. Something like this would've been solved already.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So the 800,000 or so people on furlough is a good thing because Obama isn't talking about Syria now...

Right.

Whence cometh the 800,000 figure?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Whence cometh the 800,000 figure?

it seems wrong to protest the budget on the basis of a law that you don't like that was passed through the proper channels. i don't believe both sides are equally to blame. maybe obama is being stubborn too but at the end of the day why should this kind of behavior be rewarded.

There is no halfway negotiation point on this- that's a golden mean fallacy. Any delay or alteration to Obamacare as the Republicans are demanding is a Republican victory. Their tactic is to make Obama look unreasonable by not negotiating, but the simple fact is that the entire Republican approach is unreasonable in the first place, exploiting a weird loophole in the American system to try and extort changes to a bill resulting from an argument they already lost.

The Republicans are absolutely at fault, will lose this and will take most of the blame. Though to be fair on the Republicans, it's only an insane wing of their party causing this trouble- but that wing has the potential to cripple the party.

Some people are trying to frame this as the result of mutual partisan bickering, when in reality this is 90-95% the fault of the Republicans, and all you can blame the democrats for is (for once) refusing to be bullied or held hostage. Let's be clear here--republicans talk compromise, but that's the last thing they want, and from the democrat's perspective any kind of "compromise" would be a complete capitulation brought on by what amounts to political terrorism.

I understand republicans oppose Obamacare on principle, but is it really worth ruining the country's economic credibility and putting hundreds of thousands of workers into furlough?

Spoiler:
it isn't

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Internet.

That number is too low. Many government contractors have been furloughed, too. Just ask my brother in law. 🙂

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Some people are trying to frame this as the result of mutual partisan bickering, when in reality this is 90-95% the fault of the Republicans, and all you can blame the democrats for is (for once) refusing to be bullied or held hostage. Let's be clear here--republicans talk compromise, but that's the last thing they want, and from the democrat's perspective any kind of "compromise" would be a complete capitulation brought on by what amounts to political terrorism.

I understand republicans oppose Obamacare on principle, but is it really worth ruining the country's economic credibility and putting hundreds of thousands of workers into furlough?

Spoiler:
it isn't

I could say that the Democrats are the ones at fault because they are supporting and got AHCA pushed through into law.

Additionally, a majority of Americans in almost every poll do not support the AHCA. Are the Republicans really at fault for taking actions that support what their constituents want or are the Democrats the ones really at fault for continuing down a path that their constituents do not want?

Lastly, the AHCA is NOT what the democrats and Obama promised us. I've talked about this before but the AHCA is a bastard of a piece of legislation that does not go anywhere close to social enough to be a solution.

HOWEVER(if you made it this far into my post, you'll finally get to the good part), it was the Republicans fault, to begin with, for causing this bastardized piece of legislation to pass, to begin with. The democrats had to force through many changes to get what we have, now. So, we are full-circle: it is the Republicans fault we are where we are. None of this would be happening had the Republicans not thrown a hissy fit over the socialistic nature of the originally proposed health care reform.

In fact, had the original ideas (which were not perfect, to be honest) made it through, I would support the AHCA.

The current law, quite frankly, is an Obamination. peaches

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I understand republicans oppose Obamacare on principle, but is it really worth ruining the country's economic credibility and putting hundreds of thousands of workers into furlough?

what we are to take from this all is that the democratic process is only to respected when a republican is president. clowning

Originally posted by dadudemon
Additionally, a majority of Americans in almost every poll do not support the AHCA. Are the Republicans really at fault for taking actions that support what their constituents want or are the Democrats the ones really at fault for continuing down a path that their constituents do not want?

In almost every poll people show they are afraid of the word "Obamacare," IIRC polls that asked people about the specific parts of the law showed significant support for it.