Darth Nihilus Vs Darth Sidious

Originally posted by The Merchant
Nihilus turned Katarr into a wound? Just thought he lifewiped it.

Visas talks about how Nihilus showed her life without the Force by destroying Katarr. Remember that she is Miraluka.

But yeah, when Kreia uses it on the Jedi Masters they become absences in the Force. Same technique as Nihilus' so same effects no doubt.

Wouldn't that be similar to Vitiate's ritual then since Nathema was also an absence of the Force?

Yeah except derp, the exwile had never felt anithing like Nathema herp di derp di derp!

For the millionth time, all 3 drains are different.

Yes draining the force is different than draining the force because of the after result of each drain, which means that the draining aspect is different. Repeat it with me and mstanford: draining the force is different than draining the force!! What don't you people get? We don't have to prove that the draining aspect is different, all we need to do is say: look at the result. This means we can differentiate force lightning lightning as well because the results are not always the same.

And BTW, Neph, I wasn't trying to insult you by bringing up you leaving the debate between you and Silver. But you stopped debating with him after like 2 responses, and it's making me wonder if you have doubt in Nihilus alleged capability of defeating someone of Yoda's caliber, and I'm trying to figure out why that is. Because I doubt the arguments you're providing in this thread are arguments you barely thought of. That's why I'm asking so many questions about Nihilus' drain.

I mean, it's like you wanted to make a case for Nihilus, but Silver kept reminding you that he knew practically everything about Nihilus, and you shied off.

Yes draining the force is different than draining the force because of the after result of each drain, which means that the draining aspect is different. Repeat it with me and mstanford: draining the force is different than draining the force!! What don't you people get? We don't have to prove that the draining aspect is different, all we need to do is say: look at the result. This means we can differentiate force lightning lightning as well because the results are not always the same.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And BTW, Neph, I wasn't trying to insult you by bringing up you leaving the debate between you and Silver. But you stopped debating with him after like 2 responses, and it's making me wonder if you have doubt in Nihilus alleged capability of defeating someone of Yoda's caliber, and I'm trying to figure out why that is. Because I doubt the arguments you're providing in this thread are arguments you barely thought of. That's why I'm asking so many questions about Nihilus' drain.

I mean, it's like you wanted to make a case for Nihilus, but Silver kept reminding you that he knew practically everything about Nihilus, and you shied off.

That isn't what you think. While that debate was going on I was also discussing Zannah vs Obi-Wan with him and what basically happened was he called me the biggest fanboy he'd ever seen, insulted me and said he wasn't going to bother with me any more.

So I didn't really see the point in continuing to respond to him in the Nihilus thread either. Frankly I thought his argument in that thread was shit.

Correction: The Ultimate Visual Guide doesn't refer to Nihilus' hunger as being insatiable. I know I've read that somewhere, though. Likely wookieepedia. Oh Well.

Don't know if that'll help you any, Neph, but now you know I'm not to be trusted. lol (jk)

So Is Nihilus on an entirely different tier then DE Sidious?

IE if DE Sidious is Tier 1.5, and NJO Luke is tier 1, does that make Nihilus tier 0/S (Whatever you want to call it) where only the likes of Abeloth and other Force "deities" dwell?

Nihilus is just as powerful as Sidious but he has his crazy planet killing drain that basically has no known defense. He beats most everyone.

Nephthys, would an accurate tier list look something like this?

Tier 0 (no particular order)
Mortis Deities
Abeloth
Mortis Anakin

Tier 1
Luke Skywalker

Tier 2
Nihilus
DE Sidious

Tier 3
ROTS Sidious
ROTS Yoda
Bane
Exar Kun

Tier 3.5
Redeemed Revan

Tier 4
Dooku
Windu

etc.?

I am just trying to get an idea of where most top end force users lie within the spectrum of rankings, I added .5 tiers because I think some are above the previous tier but not strong enough to make the tier above them.

Don't ask Nephthys for that kind of advice.

Why? He/She along with sidious 66, and a few other posters seem very well versed on SW lore?

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Originally posted by Board Walker
Nephthys, would an accurate tier list look something like this?

Tier 0 (no particular order)
Mortis Deities
Abeloth
Mortis Anakin

Tier 1
Luke Skywalker

Tier 2
Nihilus
DE Sidious

Tier 3
ROTS Sidious
ROTS Yoda
Bane
Exar Kun

Tier 3.5
Redeemed Revan

Tier 4
Dooku
Windu

etc.?

I am just trying to get an idea of where most top end force users lie within the spectrum of rankings, I added .5 tiers because I think some are above the previous tier but not strong enough to make the tier above them.

I personally group them in much broader groups. Y'know, clump them together a bit more:

Tier 0 (no particular order)
Mortis Deities
Abeloth
Mortis Anakin

Tier 1
Luke Skywalker
Nihilus
Vitiate
Sidious
ROTS Yoda
Bane
Exar Kun

Tier 2
Vader
Barsen'thor
Nox

Tier 2.5
Redeemed Revan

Tier 4
Dooku
Windu

ETC....

Originally posted by Nephthys
I personally group them in much broader groups. Y'know, clump them together a bit more:

Tier 0 (no particular order)
Mortis Deities
Abeloth
Mortis Anakin

Tier 1
Luke Skywalker
Nihilus
Vitiate
Sidious
ROTS Yoda
Bane
Exar Kun

Tier 2
Vader
Barsen'thor
Nox

Tier 2.5
Redeemed Revan

Tier 4
Dooku
Windu

ETC....

I agree with this list, it is very similar to how I see the character rankings in the StarWars mythos.

Where would Caedus rank?

Tier 5. estahuh

tier 2 i guess

Tier 0 (no particular order)
Mortis Deities
Abeloth
Mortis Anakin

Tier 1
Luke Skywalker
Nihilus
Vitiate
Sidious
ROTS Yoda

Tier 2
Vader
Barsen'thor
Nox
Bane
Exar Kun
Redeemed Revan
Dooku
Windu

That's more like it. Lol at Vader two tiers above Dooku and Windu. Both would defeat him.

You forgot the Hero of Tython 😠

I honestly think vader would defeat windu and dooku