Sidious, Yoda, or Plagueis?

Another issue I have with Darth Powers' assessments.

Yoda was wounded at one point by an amped Dooku, given Dooku eventually saw himself loosing even when feeding on the resonant dark side energies of Vjun, Yoda just couldn't match Sidious. The dark side has many advantages over the light in terms of offensive powers. Yoda was slightly more powerful than Sidious in terms of raw energy but couldn't best the latter due to many factors regarding their abilities in battle.

To that, I stress that when peak Sidious, one not out of practice as he was when he faced and eventually was defeated by Windu, fought alongside Plagueis and no indication was made that the apprentice was in any way more ferocious than the master. In fact, quite the contrary.

Sidious did wait until his master was incapacitated to attack, though that is his way and this in and of itself is no indicator of the master's superior abilities. They were, however, equals in power and this is stated many times throughout the novel. Plagueis demonstrated many abilities that Sidious did not in all the EU, his ability to "atomize" his assailants with Force wave stands out the most.

I'd say Plagueis is second only to NJO/FOTJ Luke Skywalker.

no, you couldn't be more wrong. There are multiple beings stronger than Plagueis, like: Sidious (RotS will do, idk why you think otherwise, atomizing some helpless adversaries is just as impressive as sidious leaving people as charred husks with lightning), Luke, Sith Emperor, Yoda, the Ones, etc. Plagueis has shown relatively few feats, and is not stronger than any of the people I listed.

I apologize for putting these in the wrong forum, pretty careless.

@XSUPREMEXSKILLZ, there's more to it than raw power, and even then Plagueis and Sidious were peers (See, Darth Plagueis).

I'd agree, however, that any of the four Deities in Star Wars would defeat Plagueis as easily they defeated Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka. Abeloth possessed 12-fold the power of Luke Skywalker's full potential (See, Fate of the Jedi).

Lemme ask you this: What feats has Plagueis actually performed to make him stronger than palpatine/sith emperor? Darth Plagueis died around the time of TPM, Sidious probably got stronger from then. The deities of course, would pwn Plagueis, but again, sidious/yoda/Luke/sith emperor would also defeat him

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Lemme ask you this: What feats has Plagueis actually performed to make him stronger than palpatine/sith emperor? Darth Plagueis died around the time of TPM, Sidious probably got stronger from then

Force drain provides a temporary increase in power, and Vitiate only kept his immortality from that. Though initially he obtained untold amounts of Force energy, but it was ultimately used up on providing immortality.

Darth Nihilus, on the other hand, was a wound and absorbed comparable amounts of Force energy, but his power decreased at the same rate as his satiation (pretty fast).

Originally posted by Dolos
Darth Nihilus, on the other hand, was a wound and absorbed comparable amounts of Force energy, but his power decreased at the same rate as his satiation (pretty fast).

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Been a while since I played KotOR II, but, where was this stated?

Clip, quote, scan? I don't want to replay the game just to find that line.

Originally posted by Dolos
Vitiate was proficient at mind domination and perhaps was the most arcanely gifted Sith of all, but he did not possess the Force sensitivity of Sidious or Plagueis.

The child who will come to be known as the Sith Emperor is born. Black-eyed, heartless, and supremely strong in the dark side of the Force, the boy seizes control of his homeworld by the age of 13 and earns the title Lord Vitiate. He amasses an army of Sith followers and turns his back on Imperial politics to hone his skills in the dark side.

Source: Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia; Page 16

Originally posted by Dolos
Force drain provides a temporary increase in power, and Vitiate only kept his immortality from that. Though initially he obtained untold amounts of Force energy, but it was ultimately used up on providing immortality.

If you need a detailed profile on Vitiate, let me know.

Has he ever inflicted said planetary damage alone? No, so don't assume he can just to hype him up.

Originally posted by Dolos
Another issue I have with Darth Powers' assessments.

???

What assessment did I give on this?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Has he ever inflicted said planetary damage alone? No, so don't assume he can just to hype him up.

Hint 1:

"Nathema was just the beginning," Scourge agreed. "He will destroy world after world, his power and madness growing in concert until he alone is left, Emperor over an empty and lifeless galaxy."

Meetra stared at the two in horror.

"You've been to Nathema," Scourge said. "You felt the Void. You know what the Emperor is capable of."

"She understands," Revan said, reading her expression more accurately than Scourge. "That's not it."

"He's quarantined Dromund Kaas," Meetra said, trying to lead them to the same conclusion. "What if he’s preparing to do the same thing here that he did on Nathema?"

Scourge hadn't considered that possibility, and it chilled him to his core.

"Is that possible?" he asked. "Nyriss told me the ritual on Nathema took days, if not weeks. And the Emperor had to trick hundreds of other powerful Sith into working with him so he could draw on their power."

"He's stronger now," Revan said. "But even if it's possible, I don't think he'll go that far. At least not yet. He is too patient, too careful. Dromund Kaas is the heart of his Empire and the seat of his power. He has too many valuable resources here to throw it all away."

Hint 2:

Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force.

Sources:-

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia

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Vitiate chose not to devastate worlds to avoid attracting unwanted attention and multiply his adversaries. He came close to making such a decision on Voss though but he managed to lure a Sith Warrior to the planet to help him.

Vitiate's main focus was on his ultimate plan actually.

The World Razer would curbstomp any of these clowns.

I got laid this morning. 😆

Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force.

The ones left or those who inherited their positions?

[QUOTE=14479641]Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
[B]Lemme ask you this: What feats has Plagueis actually performed to make him stronger than palpatine/sith emperor? Darth Plagueis died around the time of TPM, Sidious probably got stronger from then.

Sidious got stronger the very moment Plagueis died.

My interpretation is that whilst the Sith are adhering to the ROT the darkside energy is more concentrated & the master Sith receives the most benefit from this, the moment the master dies the apprentice goes up a tier ( so to speak).

By this logic if Sidious & Plagueis were close to equals at the start of TPM Sidious should have been clearly stronger after Plagueis died. let alone his incarnation as of ROTS.

I've never heard of a power up from the defeat itself*, just the defeat being a sign they've grown stronger.

*Well, baring stuff like the master trying essence transfer, failing, and the apprentice gaining a bit of them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The World Razer would curbstomp any of these clowns.

But my Guardian, along with 15 other randoms, beat Lotekk 😬

Originally posted by Q99
I've never heard of a power up from the defeat itself*, just the defeat being a sign they've grown stronger.

*Well, baring stuff like the master trying essence transfer, failing, and the apprentice gaining a bit of them.

was in the Plagueis book, Plagueis got after he took his master down & same with Sids.