Originally posted by deathslashtell 'em that's the way it's gonna be spidey would put up a good fight but would still loose 'cos panther is better[agility,weaponry,suit]
Dude, Panther's knives aren't normal knives. They're Vibranium (which is actually superior to Adamantium) and Panther is a low level meta with enhanced strength and speed. Also, Panther being entangled in Spidey's webbing is dependent on whether or not he can even hit Panther (who's insanely fast and agile).
Originally posted by Sixth_WingedI doubt that it wasdue to plot device. Luke Cage didn't conveniently hurt Proxima. She jumped him, briefly knocked him out, and while busy dealing with the insubordinance of the onlookers, Cage jumped her and landed several hits. Cage has consistently displayed himself as being capable of hurting people of the Proxima's caliber, (beating the rhino twice, beating Ironclad one, going toe to toe with an intelligent hulk, stalemating Wonderman, beating Dr. Doom in a slugfest) so it would stand to reason that he could hurt Proxima.
It could've been due to some plot device though. Some of Thanos' lackeys have to yet prove their worth as evidence when Luke Cage conveniently hurt Proxima.
Originally posted by JayDaDonTrue, however, wolverine has also sliced off those webs multiple times.
Well Parker's webbing has numerous feats of hitting opponents as fast as him and even faster than him. BP would be dealing with those webs. You mention him cutting the webs, remember those same webs put Wolverine on the sidelines.
Originally posted by JayDaDonHe would probably use his teleporter or block the webs with his energy shields. Although Spidey has numerous feats of hitting people that are faster than Panther with his webs, he has also failed to hit numerous people that are slower than T'challa. T'challa also has numerous feats of dodging things that move much faster than Spider'man's webs. The average would imply that Panther can get Past the webbing ( he can dodge, cut through, teleport away or block it).
I can only recall that one time and it was small little strands. What would BP do if his entire body was trapped in multiple layers?
Originally posted by JayDaDon
remember those same webs put Wolverine on the sidelines.
The ones he broke free from moments later! 😱
Originally posted by JayDaDon
I can only recall that one time and it was small little strands. What would BP do if his entire body was trapped in multiple layers?
Astonishing Spiderman/Wolverine is another example, when Logan ripped coccon webbing to shreds.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The ones he broke free from moments later! 😱Astonishing Spiderman/Wolverine is another example, when Logan ripped coccon webbing to shreds.
Could he move his arms?
Spidey's binded arms to the side of the body (And again, he's done this to Daredevil, despite his radar sense and speed/agility), restricting movement of the entire limb...
It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.
Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.
Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The ones he broke free from moments later! 😱Astonishing Spiderman/Wolverine is another example, when Logan ripped coccon webbing to shreds.
Wolverine is also a bad mofo though, so please refrain from placing him within the same tier as Black Panther when he is or was at his best.
Originally posted by Stoic
It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.
Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him.
With normal Panther, I'd be inclined to agree.
But his upgrade is pretty uber. He basically absorbed the physical strength and skills of every single previous Black Panther, since he became the lord of his religions undead. That's, what, thousands of Black Panther's?
Originally posted by cdtm
With normal Panther, I'd be inclined to agree.But his upgrade is pretty uber. He basically absorbed the physical strength and skills of every single previous Black Panther, since he became the lord of his religions undead. That's, what, thousands of Black Panther's?
has he been able to lift weight similar to a train car? All of that is meaningless without something to show for it. Spiderman has shown above class 75 strength several times. So whatcha got?
Originally posted by Stoic
It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.
Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him.
Originally posted by StoicDoesn't Spider-man have trouble with characters like Taskmaster, Daredevil, Wolverine, and Ironfist? Panther is easily in each of those character's weight classes and is above several of them. Panther also has his new upgrades, his personal teleporter, his Vibranium armor, and his energy shields. Explain to me again how Spider-man doesn't even have trouble hitting Panther.
It's laughable to think that Spiderman would have trouble hitting BP. He is faster, stronger, and more agile, the only guy capable of edging Spiderman out in terms of agility (on or near his level) is Night Crawler, or perhaps the Beast.Let's please all stop with trying to make it seem like Spiderman just appeared, and is inept at combat. He's been around longer than anyone on this forum has likely been alive. So has Octavious for what it's worth. BP would have his hands more than filled. I'm not surprised by the way this thread has been going, because there were, and likely still are people that believe that Batman would beat Spiderman. Spiderman is a cut above this level of character.
Why do you guys think that Marvel kept Spiderman from becoming a master martial artist? It's because guys like Captain America, Black Panther, Beast, Night Crawler, Daredevil... and others of that weight class wouldn't have a prayer against him.
If you said that Spidey wins after a tough fight, then I could at least accept that sort of opinion, but when you low ball someone like Panther (who has consistently displayed that he can keep up with and beat people of Spider-man's caliber) it is completely unacceptable.
Originally posted by deathslash
Doesn't Spider-man have trouble with characters like Taskmaster, Daredevil, Wolverine, and Ironfist? Panther is easily in each of those character's weight classes and is above several of them. Panther also has his new upgrades, his personal teleporter, his Vibranium armor, and his energy shields. Explain to me again how Spider-man doesn't even have trouble hitting Panther.If you said that Spidey wins after a tough fight, then I could at least accept that sort of opinion, but when you low ball someone like Panther (who has consistently displayed that he can keep up with and beat people of Spider-man's caliber) it is completely unacceptable.
PIS and CIS often plays heavily in favor of those characters as well though. This is a forum, and although you can use feats based from comics, certain things need to be taken with a grain of salt. Spiderman has also lost a load of cred in comics as well over the past several years, and this is due to the many writers having a love hate relationship with Spiderman. I mean look what they did to Peter Parker! I personally hate the Superior Spiderman, and wish that they would somehow bring back the original.
Captain America as good as he is, has no business giving Spiderman a rough time. Spiderman should have ripped that shield away from him during the Civil War, and beat the hell out of him with it. A lot of the things that we read are based on that particular writers favoritism of certain characters. Look at Rulk for example, he was taking it to Thor and the Hulk, and suddenly Wonder Man is clowning him. The list is long. I don't mind BP taking out Octavius in a fight, but Parker? Should we just ignore his entire history and only concentrate on the way that he has been downgraded to near street level? Pshhh whatever.
Also you should be careful with the accusations. i don't believe that I lowballed at all. However perhaps i should bring up several post on how people place BP far above Spidey in this very thread. Open your eyes. unless you can't see.