Satele, the HoT, Revan, and the Barsen'thor are better than anyone else.
Tol Bragga and Jaric Kaedan are proably the ones behind them.
Ven Zallow, Kao-Cen Darach, and Aryn Leener are probably up there behind the two above.
Orgus Din and the rest of the Council are below all of the above, probably. Syo Bakarn is probably the best of the leftovers, though.
Am I forgetting anyone important?
TIER 1
- Bersen'thor
- HoT
- Revan
- Jaric Kaedan
- Satele Shan
TIER 2
- Syo Bakarn
- Aryn Leener
- Bengel Morr
- Tol Braga
TIER 3 (Count Dooku level)
- Ven Zallow
- Kao-Cen Darach
- Orgus Din
- Warren Sedoru
- Leeha Narezz
- Ngani Zho
TIER 4
- Bela Kiwiiks
- Gnost Dural
- Wens Aleusis
- Giffis Fane
- Nikil Nobil
- Oric Traless
- Shol Bestros
- Kira Karsen
I'd agree with that list probably, only substituting Din for Kellian Jarro or Jun Seros.
There are a few others to consider imo. There is the problem that the Tol Braga's Jedi Strike Team was said to be made up of the strongest Jedi in the Order. Then there is the fact that theres a former Dark Council Member running around in the form of Sajar. Sidonie Garen was also quite impressive in the Consular storyline. But I think its accurate to say theres less impressive Jedi in the TOR era than there is Sith.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I based mine off of feats with a little hype mixed in.
Yea, but, for example, it's much easier to rank people based on TCW CGI show, or Star Wars Legacy, because they have not just characters fight, but fight repeatedly and in different combinations.
Ventress, Grievous, and Opress each fight a *lot* of people, so it's easier to say, "Ah, X did better against Ventress than Y," and so on. They're steady reference points, especially if additional info can be added on.
With TOR, a lot of the characters only really show up in one character's story line, and only fight one character once or twice on top of that. On top of that, in some cases the plot-canon results are clear, but the fight itself was gameplay, so you don't have as much detail as a fight in other things. So you have a lot of fairly loose info floating around that doesn't have enough datapoints to be too concrete.
I don't know much about this era, but Revan in the same tier with HoT?I heard that HoT bested Vitiate, while Vitiate bested Revan quite easily. As Sith, Vitiate is in tier 1, so Revan should be in tier 2.
Not really. The Hero defeated Vitiate when he was weakened and vulnerable, as if he fought Vitiate on an Emperor's normal day he would have lost obviously. Vitiate is a firm tier ahead of Revan, but also the Hero aswell. On top of this, Vitiate didnt beat Revan "easily", Revan gave him a run for his money...:
"Three centuries ago, Revan wielded the dual philosophies of Sith passion and Jedi tranquility to conquer his enemies; he even nearly assassinated the Sith Emperor."
-Star Wars: The Old Republic Enclyopedia
"It stuck the Emperor in the chest , sending him sliding several meters back. For the fist time the Sith's emotionless veneer cracked as he let out a primal hiss of hate"
-Star Wars: The Old Republic- Revan
Revan is tier 1, though I cannot agree that he is equal to or greater than the Hero. Revan himself even stated, "The force always strives for balance. The Emperor is an agent of darkness, so he must be defeated by an avatar of the light. I may be that champion."
Obviously Revan fails in this endeavor, while the Hero succeeds. Vitiate didn't struggle too much with Revan, when he got serious Revan was quickly overwhelmed. Losing to Vitiate doesn't make you weak by any means however, he was the most powerful sith lord to have ever existed (up till his time). Doing well against him puts you in tier 1 undoubtedly.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really. The Hero defeated Vitiate when he was weakened and vulnerable, as if he fought Vitiate on an Emperor's normal day he would have lost obviously.
Vitiate was also inside the Dark Temple, an extremely powerful darkside nexus that would boost his power and weaken the Hero of Tython. In fact the temple is especially tied to Vitiate and he uses it to drain power and knowledge from the ghosts there, so he may be boosted even more than normal there.
Furthermore Scourge says that Vitiates power would return to him quickly and should a lightsided Hero go to save their love interest he will recover his strength noticeably and the Hero will be weakened from the extra fighting.
Then theres the fact that the Hero has to fight through Kaas City (in which every citizen is a soldier or has military training), Vitiates cultists and Sith followers and the Imperial Guard (the greatest non-force using force in the galaxy whom even the strongest Sith surrender to be executed by rather than even attempt to fight) in order to get to him, so I'd hardly expect the Hero to be at her best either.
Orgus Din shielded the Hero's mind from dark side effects. Also, much of the nexus within the dark temple probably has to do with vitiate's own presence. I have taken in agreement that being on dromund kaas actually doesn't bolster vitiate's power, and if it does, it would be a minor enhancement.
Prove that he literally fought every1 in kaas city, the imp guards, etc. The whole point of the mission was to quickly and sneakily get to the dark temple and kill the emperor.