Your favorite character VS Your least favorite character

Originally posted by Digi
Exactly.

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He's a one-dimensional caricature of what he used to be - an embodiment of the lonely internal struggle with one's quiet rage that seeps into and poisons relationships and meaningful endeavors, and the ostracization that ensues when others can't cope with or understand your struggle. Anymore, he's mostly walking fan-service for the hormonal, angsty teen demographic who get off to irrational feats instead of nuanced character development. And the often logic-defying application of his powers in comics, and the level at which he operates, requires more suspension of disbelief than any character since pre-original-crisis days.

I think that hits the major points.

Lol...understandable but we can say all of this about every mainstream character with a lot of popularity. Hulk isn't the only character that does things outside of his powerset but the thing about it is, a good explanation can be made regarding some of the things he's done on panel...especially since the character isn't as one dimensional as most think.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...understandable but we can say all of this about every mainstream character with a lot of popularity.

Not at all.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk isn't the only character that does things outside of his powerset but the thing about it is, a good explanation can be made regarding some of the things he's done on panel...especially since the character isn't as one dimensional as most think.

You're talking about feats and power levels, which is honestly the least of his offenses. It's also why I listed that stuff last. The other stuff is far more important, and has basically been forgotten in his books for years.

Originally posted by Digi
He's a one-dimensional caricature of what he used to be - an embodiment of the lonely internal struggle with one's quiet rage that seeps into and poisons relationships and meaningful endeavors, and the ostracization that ensues when others can't cope with or understand your struggle. Anymore, he's mostly walking fan-service for the hormonal, angsty teen demographic who get off to irrational feats instead of nuanced character development. And the often logic-defying application of his powers in comics, and the level at which he operates, requires more suspension of disbelief than any character since pre-original-crisis days.

I think that hits the major points.

The last half of your post could also be applied to Wolverine. 👆

Originally posted by Silent Master
The last half of your post could also be applied to Wolverine. 👆

Originally posted by Silent Master
The last half of your post could also be applied to Wolverine. 👆

Nah, not nearly as much. I actually don't mind Logan. They haven't forgotten to give the character some heart and to write compelling stories for him on occasion. X-Force is a great example.

He's just overexposed.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...understandable but we can say all of this about every mainstream character with a lot of popularity. Hulk isn't the only character that does things outside of his powerset but the thing about it is, a good explanation can be made regarding some of the things he's done on panel...especially since the character isn't as one dimensional as most think.

Not really. Did you even read his post?

Originally posted by Starscream M
or thor

How so?

Originally posted by Starscream M
or thor

Thor: God of Thunder begs to differ. Name me a Marvel title in the last five years that has managed to inspire as much sublime awe in critical reception, while staying true to the character and who he is.

Such titles do exist. But they're few and far between.

And if you're talking only about feats, well, everyone has their opinion. It's not the level of the Hulk's feats but the nature of them that often makes no sense. I have no issue with any character going "outside" their limits now and then for the sake of the story. It just needs to remain consistent with what the character should believably be able to accomplish given their power set.

Thanos vs Wolverine
Thanos vs Superman

I would love to see Thanos crush these two.

Originally posted by Digi
Not at all.

You're talking about feats and power levels, which is honestly the least of his offenses. It's also why I listed that stuff last. The other stuff is far more important, and has basically been forgotten in his books for years.

Its the same Savage Hulk though. I agree with one thing though, writers lately has been focusing more on plot with the character instead of focusing on characterization. I can see where you are coming from but imo I just think a lot of your post applies to people like Thor, Superman, Surfer, Spiderman, Wolverine, etc...as well.

Originally posted by Digi
Exactly.

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He's a one-dimensional caricature of what he used to be - an embodiment of the lonely internal struggle with one's quiet rage that seeps into and poisons relationships and meaningful endeavors, and the ostracization that ensues when others can't cope with or understand your struggle. Anymore, he's mostly walking fan-service for the hormonal, angsty teen demographic who get off to irrational feats instead of nuanced character development. And the often logic-defying application of his powers in comics, and the level at which he operates, requires more suspension of disbelief than any character since pre-original-crisis days.

I think that hits the major points.

Perfectly said. When I was a teen I was relatively content, but like most teens I dealt with problems of insecurity and hidden anger for not meeting or exceeding my own expectations. While contemplating these thoughts of negativity I would at times reminisce the Hulk. The quintessential embodiment of rage itself and it would help relieve me in stressful times. Hell after school I would play the free roaming Hulk Ultimate Destruction and just wreck the city and anything that would dare desire me to yield to it. For hulk was everything I aspired to be. So psychologically it was not hulk destroying the city it was me in control the entire time while hulk was simply my pawn in order to relinquish all ill-minded thoughts. So I am very thankful for hulk providing me with therapy during those dark times. But for reasons that digi did an excellent job stating above is one of the key reasons why I grew out of love with the character as I matured. Hulk has served his purpose for me in the past, so no matter what he will always have an angry vice-grip on a small portion of my heart.

Originally posted by carver9
Its the same Savage Hulk though. I agree with one thing though, writers lately has been focusing more on plot with the character instead of focusing on characterization. I can see where you are coming from but imo I just think a lot of your post applies to people like Thor, Superman, Surfer, Spiderman, Wolverine, etc...as well.

Very little is terribly nuanced at the main companies. So to an extent, you have a point. But none of the other characters have had their persona inverted so fully for the sake of appeasing a fan base. Hulk is literally unrecognizable as a character compared to what originally made him unique.

Lobo was created as a parody of Wolverine. He was intended to be over-the-top absurd. Then fans fell in love with him, so they kept it. At least Lobo retained a healthy sense of irony in his titles. Hulk basically became a roid rage parody, but with none of the levity.

Originally posted by Digi
Nah, not nearly as much. I actually don't mind Logan. They haven't forgotten to give the character some heart and to write compelling stories for him on occasion. X-Force is a great example.

He's just overexposed.

He's way overexposed and let's face it, based on his powers he should be the underdog in any fight with someone above cl 5, but given the " logic-defying application of his powers in comics" when was the last time him being written as the underdog could be considered the norm?

Also, carver, I don't mind discussing this, and don't want you to think this is an attack on you for liking the Hulk. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. I'm just very apathetic toward him, for reasons stated.

Originally posted by Digi
Also, carver, I don't mind discussing this, and don't want you to think this is an attack on you for liking the Hulk. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. I'm just very apathetic toward him, for reasons stated.

Do you not like the Hulk as he was when Peter David wrote him? Or even Pak's early work?

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's way overexposed and let's face it, based on his powers he should be the underdog in any fight with someone above cl 5, but given the " logic-defying application of his powers in comics" when was the last time him being written as the underdog could be considered the norm?

He does have adamantium as a trump card. It allows him, imo, to believably harm and threaten otherwise superior threats.

Basically, I'm ok with characters going out of their weight class, so to speak. I'm not ok with using physical strength to defy the laws of physics, even the more-nebulous world of comic physics, which Hulk is guilty of on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Do you not like the Hulk as he was when Peter David wrote him? Or even Pak's early work?

Goodness, you're asking me to dig back to individual writers. I can't say my memory is perfect with this stuff...I tend not to pay attention to writers with even some of my favorite characters.

Originally posted by Digi
He does have adamantium as a trump card. It allows him, imo, to believably harm and threaten otherwise superior threats.

Basically, I'm ok with characters going out of their weight class, so to speak. I'm not ok with using physical strength to defy the laws of physics, even the more-nebulous world of comic physics, which Hulk is guilty of on more than one occasion.

Adamantium claws might allow him to hurt or threaten otherwise superior threats. however it does nothing to stop him from taking damage from attacks. yet supposedly his healing factor has two different levels...one for when he fights people on his level, where you can see him getting injured and it takes time to heal the injuries and the other for when he gets hit by people cl 10 and above, where his organs should be tuned to paste after every hit...yet sed hits rarely even slow him down.

Originally posted by Starscream M
or thor

Lol, wrong. WRONG.

Sentry vrs Namor

Oh wait,it already happened. Namor survived so it looks like a decent feat for him. Urgh.

Hal Jordan vs John Stewert