Elder Scrolls verse vs Dragon Age verse

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Got a source for that? I don't remember any of it, myself. 😬

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept

The Nu Mantia Intercept is very lore heavy, but it isn't nearly as confusing like, say, the Loveletter. In this Intercepts you can find info about the nature of Aldmeris and where did life originate from. Plus some important info about Mundus' metaphysics, which is the main part of this letters

Atmora being a frozen wasteland is known from the First Pocket Guide I believe:

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-and-its-environs-first-edition

The Redguards migrated from Yokuda not Atmora. The Nords are said to be from Atmora.

With that said, no one knows what Yokuda is like at the time of Skyrim, Atmora is a frozen wasteland, atleast people think so.

However there is still, Aldmeris, Thras, Pyandorea and Akavir. Continents that we know little about. Not to mention the countless small groups of islands which we have no knowledge about.

Elder Scrolls for the win imo.

Originally posted by Utrigita
The Redguards migrated from Yokuda not Atmora. The Nords are said to be from Atmora.

With that said, no one knows what Yokuda is like at the time of Skyrim, Atmora is a frozen wasteland, atleast people think so.

However there is still, Aldmeris, Thras, Pyandorea and Akavir. Continents that we know little about. Not to mention the countless small groups of islands which we have no knowledge about.

Elder Scrolls for the win imo.

I said that every man, EXCEPT Redguards, came from Atmora. We know how Yokuda is like however, a complete desert, destroyed by Redguards who abused the Pankratosword, which is basicly a sword style that cuts atoms apart. We know very little about the other continents (we know the most about Akavir of them, such as an aspect of the Time God being the leader of a race).

As I said previously, Aldmeris doesn't exist

Originally posted by trexalfa
I said that every man, EXCEPT Redguards, came from Atmora. We know how Yokuda is like however, a complete desert, destroyed by Redguards who abused the Pankratosword, which is basicly a sword style that cuts atoms apart. We know very little about the other continents (we know the most about Akavir of them, such as an aspect of the Time God being the leader of a race).

As I said previously, Aldmeris doesn't exist

We know that it appears that way yes. We also don't know if it was the sword or another reason. We know about Thras and that Sload that they has signifant strength, enough to challenge the Summerset Isles. We know the Maormer lives on Pyandorea. My point is that there is plenty of unknown factors in regards to the army that Elder Scrolls can field, but that the army is significantly stronger and larger then just Tamriels forces.

The Altmer certainly seems to think that it still exist. But ultimately no proof of it existing or not can be provided as far as I know. But it most certainly have existed. Although I know the Moth Priests disagree.

Originally posted by Utrigita
We know that it appears that way yes. We also don't know if it was the sword or another reason. We know about Thras and that Sload that they has signifant strength, enough to challenge the Summerset Isles. We know the Maormer lives on Pyandorea. My point is that there is plenty of unknown factors in regards to the army that Elder Scrolls can field, but that the army is significantly stronger and larger then just Tamriels forces.

The Altmer certainly seems to think that it still exist. But ultimately no proof of it existing or not can be provided as far as I know. But it most certainly have existed. Although I know the Moth Priests disagree.

Read the Intercept in the post above. It certainly proves that Aldmeris still exists, in the minds of Mer. It never existed as a physical place and thus hasn't got any inhabitants. Here is the exact quote:

"This sundering of purpose is the myth of the "destruction of Aldmeris." Outside of the Dawn, and even then only in the dreamtime of its landscape, there was never a terrestrial homeland of the Elves. "Old Ehlnofey" is a magical ideal of mixed memories of the Dawn."

Vivec blatantly states that Yokuda is that way because of Pankratosword, so I take that as fact due to CHIM

Originally posted by trexalfa
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept

The Nu Mantia Intercept is very lore heavy, but it isn't nearly as confusing like, say, the Loveletter. In this Intercepts you can find info about the nature of Aldmeris and where did life originate from. Plus some important info about Mundus' metaphysics, which is the main part of this letters

Oh, more of this stuff. I've read some of this material before, but I assumed it was just more work from Kirkbride or whoever and not technically a full part of the games.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Oh, more of this stuff. I've read some of this material before, but I assumed it was just more work from Kirkbride or whoever and not technically a full part of the games.

Deemed canon until Bethesda says otherwise, which won't happen cause Kirkbride's got very influential friends among the writers 😉

There is no opinion involved.

TES wins, easily.

Even discounting those of divine origin (I'll even include the Tribunal in this listing), there are mages who can erase you from existence with math, and immensely powerful Masters of the Voice like Miraak would solo, what with their large island level Thu'ums and shit.

Originally posted by trexalfa
Read the Intercept in the post above. It certainly proves that Aldmeris still exists, in the minds of Mer. It never existed as a physical place and thus hasn't got any inhabitants. Here is the exact quote:

"This sundering of purpose is the myth of the "destruction of Aldmeris." Outside of the Dawn, and even then only in the dreamtime of its landscape, there was never a terrestrial homeland of the Elves. "Old Ehlnofey" is a magical ideal of mixed memories of the Dawn."

Vivec blatantly states that Yokuda is that way because of Pankratosword, so I take that as fact due to CHIM

I'm well aware of what the Moth Priests think. I have said so already. I however also think that it's quite clear that what is shown in the lore books like this one, is meant as a debate concerning Aldmeris, and a attempt to debuke the myth. However that certainly doesn't mean that Aldmeris didn't exist. The Moth Priests doesn't think so, and good for them, but other scholars those with elven heritage disagree. Hence my previous statement that you can't draw anything conclusive out of the game concerning Aldmeris.

I have never head Vivec claim such a thing. source? I heard Vivec talk about Stone Magic but that is it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm well aware of what the Moth Priests think. I have said so already. I however also think that it's quite clear that what is shown in the lore books like this one, is meant as a debate concerning Aldmeris, and a attempt to debuke the myth. However that certainly doesn't mean that Aldmeris didn't exist. The Moth Priests doesn't think so, and good for them, but other scholars those with elven heritage disagree. Hence my previous statement that you can't draw anything conclusive out of the game concerning Aldmeris.

I have never head Vivec claim such a thing. source? I heard Vivec talk about Stone Magic but that is it.

"You would destroy the home of your ancestors even more? And in the fashion that they had done, which is now forbidden in your hands?"

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-vivecs-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless

Originally posted by trexalfa
"You would destroy the home of your ancestors even more? And in the fashion that they had done, which is now forbidden in your hands?"

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lord-vivecs-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless

I'm sorry, but I need to have this clarified. Are we taking into account, text written by a former developer, as lore equal to that lore which is shown in the books ingame?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I'm sorry, but I need to have this clarified. Are we taking into account, text written by a former developer, as lore equal to that lore which is shown in the books ingame?

I don't know about the rest of us, but he certainly is:

Originally posted by trexalfa
Deemed canon until Bethesda says otherwise, which won't happen cause Kirkbride's got very influential friends among the writers 😉

I don't think so. If he's no longer a writer for the actual games, his extra material should probably be considered secondary canon and debatable. You wouldn't call all Star Wars EU material primary material until Lucas say otherwise, would ya? Well maybe you would, I don't know. But I probably wouldn't.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I don't know about the rest of us, but he certainly is:

I don't think so. If he's no longer a writer for the actual games, his extra material should probably be considered secondary canon and debatable. You wouldn't call all Star Wars EU material primary material until Lucas say otherwise, would ya? Well maybe you would, I don't know. But I probably wouldn't.

I agree with the star wars example, I was just slightly confused. I'm not familiar with what you perceive as canon in the Games versus section 🙂

But in the end it doesn't matter, Elder Scrolls verse still wins this. In a rather crushing fashion imo.

Michael Kirkbride's writings are not valid until actually referenced in-game.

ES Verse stomps. Mundus isn't the only world/dimension of existence, there's like one for each Daedric Prince and every single daedra can't be permanently killed, only banished.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Michael Kirkbride's writings are not valid until actually referenced in-game.

The Aldudagga was referenced in Skyrim. MK still returns to work at TES in some points.

We got way off topic here

Would you consider EU material primary canon?

The entire lore community deems them as canon until proved otherwise, take a look at the official lore forums and the forums at the Imperial Library. Nobody in there screaming "Non-canon" at the writings of MK

Concerning The Albudagga, what are you arguing?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Concerning The Albudagga, what are you arguing?

Painted Cows which were in it and got referenced in Skyrim