Nox is unprecedentedly powerful by all accounts; he is among the anomalies of Force-users with insane supernatural capabilities/talents. Khem Val regarded him as equal to Tulak Hord and he literally humiliated a "supremely powerful" Sith Lord with his insane capabilities.
As good as Kun is, he doesn't holds a candle to Nox. The latter will demolish majority comfortably.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Amulet Blast>>>Lightning
Thanaton have destroyed a "large structure made of metal" with just a normal burst of his lightning during his encounter with Exal Kressh; his FLS is a class of its own in sheer potency.
Nox endured Thanaton's overwhelming FLS barrage because of his Sith Sorcery augmented defensive capabilities which made his body virtually indestructible.
Nox is hardly unprecedented in terms of power considering Nihilus and Vitiate. Also I believe Khem merely says that they're worthy of being Tulak Hords successor, not that Nox is as powerful as he was.
As an aside, Legend, TOR era combatants aren't all the best ever. There are powerful beings in other eras. Kun is one of them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nox is hardly unprecedented in terms of power considering Nihilus and Vitiate. Also I believe Khem merely says that they're worthy of being Tulak Hords successor, not that Nox is as powerful as he was.
Khem's statement doesn't dismisses the possibility of Nox being equal or superior to Tulak. It reveals how damn good Nox is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
As an aside, Legend, TOR era combatants aren't all the best ever. There are powerful beings in other eras. Kun is one of them.
I do not underestimate Kun actually; he subdued Luke which says a lot about his dark side mastery. On the whole, he have impressive achievements under his belt. I rank him above Dooku and even Vader.
Nox possesses sufficient power and talents to overcome Kun. The latter might be superior duelist then the former but Nox have beaten one of the greatest duelists of all times as well, if I am not mistaken. I mean, up against Nox, Kun would be contending with combined might of several powerful Force-users which is too much for a single legitimately powerful Force-user unless he or she is an anomaly as well.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus and Vitiate do not qualify as "normal" either. Like these two, Nox isn't natural as well, capabilities and talents wise.Khem's statement doesn't dismisses the possibility of Nox being equal or superior to Tulak. It reveals how damn good Nox is.
Ok, so Nox is predicated. I'll assume this is a language thing, as saying something is unprecidented means that there hasn't been anything like it in the past. So obviously Vitiate and Nihilus came before Nox and set the precedent.
It doesn't bring up the possibility of Nox being equal to him either.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not asserting that other eras didn't witness gifted and talented warriors but TOR seemingly literally peaked in bad@ssry department on the whole with emergence of lot of extraordinarily gifted Force-users simultaneously.I do not underestimate Kun actually; he subdued Luke which says a lot about his dark side mastery. On the whole, he have impressive achievements under his belt. I rank him above Dooku and even Vader.
Nox possesses sufficient power and talents to overcome Kun. The latter might be superior duelist then the former but Nox have beaten one of the greatest duelists of all times as well, if I am not mistaken. I mean, up against Nox, Kun would be contending with combined might of several powerful Force-users which is too much for a single legitimately powerful Force-user unless he or she is an anomaly as well.
That might be so, but that doesn't mean that the top warriors in other eras can't compete with those of the TOR era. Exar Kun was the strongest of his era and is the equal to any of the TOR era barring Vitiate/HoT maybe.
So then you rank Nox greatly above Dooku and Vader as well? Does that mean you place her as an equal or superior to Sidious or Luke?
That last sentence just isn't true though, as proven in TOR by the Hero of Tython and the Barsen'thor. The HoT beat Vitiate, one of your anomalies and the Barsen'thor defeated Vivicar while he was drawing power from hundreds of Jedi Masters. Neither of the Jedi were anomalies, merely extremely powerful Jedi.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok, so Nox is predicated. I'll assume this is a language thing, as saying something is unprecidented means that there hasn't been anything like it in the past. So obviously Vitiate and Nihilus came before Nox and set the precedent.It doesn't bring up the possibility of Nox being equal to him either.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That might be so, but that doesn't mean that the top warriors in other eras can't compete with those of the TOR era. Exar Kun was the strongest of his era and is the equal to any of the TOR era barring Vitiate/HoT maybe.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So then you rank Nox greatly above Dooku and Vader as well? Does that mean you place her as an equal or superior to Sidious or Luke?
- Nox could be a match for Dooku and Vader (OT) in natural form. But with his Sith Sorcery talents, he literally trumps them.
- Nox might be able to match someone like Luke with Sith Sorcery talents.
- As far as Sidious is concerned, he is the only individual who can outgun Nox in legitimate fashion if his DE incarnation is considered. Sidious himself is unnatural and extremely capable Sith Sorcerer as of DE.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That last sentence just isn't true though, as proven in TOR by the Hero of Tython and the Barsen'thor. The HoT beat Vitiate, one of your anomalies and the Barsen'thor defeated Vivicar while he was drawing power from hundreds of Jedi Masters. Neither of the Jedi were anomalies, merely extremely powerful Jedi.
Competitiveness of a Force-user depends not just on the raw power but also on additional factors such as talents and intelligence.
HoT, Barsen'thor and Luke acquired lot of talents and experience to undermine opposition with passage of time and could not just depend on their immense raw power to succeed in difficult situations. Luke specially have history of failures which taught him well; in-fact, his story reveals that he would have lost or died on several occasions without aid of his companions.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, it's the same argument you use to try to say vitiate is superior to Luke, Legend. Just because they have to power of many sith lords, doesn't make them some "entity" or godlike being.
Keep in mind that Kun's amulets explicitly double in power with each strike. How much can Nox tank, realistically? It's been some time since I played the campaign (basically a year or more) but I recall being impressed by the FLS tank. However, Kun's amulets increase his rage exponentially, and he is able to obliterate pretty much every Force user in the era with a wave of his hand, regardless of whether or not he engages in amulet spam. It's worth noting that he does not even bother with it except for against Aleema and the Sith wyrm.
Originally posted by SJones91109
Problem with the amulet blasts is that we haven't seen them used during a fight. It's not like Kun can point and click and walla!
Kun used them while actively dodging attacks from the Sith Wyrm. It wasn't like FF Tactics where he had to 'charge' before it worked. Also, it's simply amplifying his energy and rage and turning both into a blast of sorts. Hell, he does it to Aleema while talking shit.
Also, why do people treat Kun as if he's a one-trick pony with the amulet blasts?