I haven't read it. I only recalled it because Allankles brought it up recently in this thread.
Originally posted by Allankles
😆It's pretty much Yoda, he trained a good portion of the Jedi who were able to keep the peace for 1000 years. So yeah, Yoda by landslide!!!
The rest of these guys became normies and lost touch with the higher principles.
He's not the only Jedi master to keep the peace for centuries, and in that time he only faced one big dark side takeover and lost. We actually don't know of any galactic-level threats he faced.
Luke fought a stream of threats, as did Tythy. The Exile faced a pack of Sith lords on her own. Cade Skywalker faced both the current Sith ruler of the galaxy and a Sith who'd bring nigh-unstoppable plagues to sweep across it. Etc..
War doesn't do it. It's like you guys don't get it. You don't "defeat" darkness through war: defeating evil by martial means is only a reprieve before it comes back.
Yoda and his cohorts tried to defeat it preemptively, by recruitment and teaching. If war undermined the Jedi at the end of his reign... it wasn't for a lack of trying. Combat feats don't mean nothin with regards to defeating evil.
Also, stopping crisis without lethal force - a thing that many a Jedi in Yoda's time was able to accomplish.
Originally posted by AllanklesErmagawd you guyz, there's a great quote I can throw in your face right here, but I just can't think of it.
Yoda and his cohorts tried to defeat it preemptively, by recruitment and teaching. If war undermined the Jedi at the end of his reign... it wasn't for a lack of trying.
Originally posted by Allankles
War doesn't do it. It's like you guys don't get it. You don't "defeat" darkness through war: defeating evil by martial means is only a reprieve before it comes back.
Mind you, it can prevent a massive number of people from being killed in that time.
And then during the reprieve, you can work to prevent it from returning from other means.
The act of defense is still a vital one if big threats occur.
Yoda and his cohorts tried to defeat it preemptively, by recruitment and teaching. If war undermined the Jedi at the end of his reign... it wasn't for a lack of trying. Combat feats don't mean nothin with regards to defeating evil.Also, stopping crisis without lethal force - a thing that many a Jedi in Yoda's time was able to accomplish.
Still, there is the matter there were no attempted Sith takeovers during that time, and it wasn't because of Yoda specifically, it was all the Jedi. Nor did they preemptively stop what happened during the Clone Wars, even though two of the three key Sith were once Jedi (Dooku and Anakin).
Luke put out dozens of brushfires before they became big wars. He turned several darksiders good- like Kam Solusar and Kyp Durron, and Darth Vader, he turned the galaxy to light not through his skills with a saber but by convincing one of the Sith to turn.
He did a lot of preventative and a lot of direct reaction.
Or there's Nomi Sunrider, who helped end the Exar Kun war by turning Ulic Qel-Doma back to the light.
And there's tons of Jedi who've ruled during times of peace, even ones for centuries.
Yoda doesn't rank in the top for turning people to light.
Originally posted by Q99
What did Yoda do? He didn't beat any major sith lords or such. This isn't a question of who formed the least attachments, after all, this is who accomplished the most.I mean, another one who's way up there: The Exile. Meetra beat not one but three powerful sith lords and brought to an end a period of war that'd gone on for a decade, allowing for the revival of the Jedi order.
Yeah, and than Karpyshyn nerf'd the hell out her.