The Hero of Tython Respect Thread

Vitiate tacitly agrees that he can't control the Hero of Tython's mind, admitting that s/he's stronger than they once were:

"You won't control me again. I'm stronger than I was back then."

"Yes. I feel it."

There's also a bunch of other stuff that might be for every Outlander. Valkorion states you're the only one to ever match his will to survive. Get dunked Revan, Valky bringing the heat!

He can't control any Outlander without then giving him control. And everyone is confirmed to be more powerful.

I'm aware he can't control them as he is, but this one specifically calls Valkorions personal ability to mentally dominate the Hero into question. The Hero states he can't control her anymore due to her power and Valkorion agrees. Edit: Looking at other classes, none of them seem to say that Vitiate can't control them like the Hero does.

It also correlates with the Doomsday Quest text stating that Vitiate couldn't control the Hero's mind because she was too powerful.

Also apparently someones tried tossing Vitiate into a star? Lol.

Since when are the PCs noted as he/she?

They aren't. Neph plays female HoT and calls them as such.

@Neph: Yes, and while that's great, Valkorion can't control ANYONE. It's not really a point in the HoT's favor. The evidence for this being that at a certain point in the story Valkorion can in fact take over the Outlander, and actively wants to, but only if they given in to him on more than one occasion. Otherwise, he can't control the Outlander period, regardless of class.

They haven't. But it's worth noting that the HoT is portrayed as female in KotFE's databank.

They're noted as the gender you know is right in the most important place.

In your heart.

Originally posted by ares834
They haven't. But it's worth noting that the HoT is portrayed as female in KotFE's databank.

But in the KotFE trailer it's a dude?

Alright though, was just curious cause I've seen some say he/she when pertaining to PCs, so wasn't sure.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
But in the KotFE trailer it's a dude?

*shrug* I'd take the actual game over a trailer. Though neither (or even the TOR encyclopedia) I'd say are definitive.

Originally posted by ares834
*shrug* I'd take the actual game over a trailer. Though neither (or even the TOR encyclopedia) I'd say are definitive.

I imagine it's probably gonna stay that way tbh....well especially since everything was overhauled, but even before.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
@Neph: Yes, and while that's great, Valkorion can't control ANYONE. It's not really a point in the HoT's favor. The evidence for this being that at a certain point in the story Valkorion can in fact take over the Outlander, and actively wants to, but only if they given in to him on more than one occasion. Otherwise, he can't control the Outlander period, regardless of class.

The quote isn't talking about Valkorion as he is. The Hero isn't aware of his circumstances at the time. She's stating that he can't control her period and he agrees. That this is supported in the previous quest text supports this interpretation.

That the Hero can be controlled if she actively allows him control over her multiple times doesn't contradict that.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Also apparently someones tried tossing Vitiate into a star? Lol.

Vitiate starts by saying he loves the stars and you can say that you're gonna toss him in one next time and he says others have tried but maybe you'll succeed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The quote isn't talking about Valkorion as he is. The Hero isn't aware of his circumstances at the time. She's stating that he can't control her period and he agrees. That this is supported in the previous quest text supports this interpretation.

That the Hero can be controlled if she actively allows him control over her multiple times doesn't contradict that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate starts by saying he loves the stars and you can say that you're gonna toss him in one next time and he says others have tried but maybe you'll succeed.

Valkorion isn't possessing the Outlander due to plot armor. We notice in Chapter 1 that he forcefully establishes a telepathic link with the Outlander after loosing his Voice (if the Outlander refuses to accept his offer). The Outlander is technically a Voice or a Child or something.

I get the impression that Valkorion is manipulating the Outlander. Lana Beniko, in particular, suspects his motives and attempts to caution the Outlander to not fall for his shenanigans. They even discuss the possibility to explore ways to terminate the telepathic link between the Outlander and Valkorion at some point.

In-fact, Valkorion's relationship with the Outlander seems similar to his relationship with the Hands in the past. The Outlander could be a hand at this point.

Originally posted by Petrus
The HoT, however, is ****ing awesome. There's really no question imo that he is on par with the likes of Yoda and RotS Sids.

😂 wankers like these are the reason why people lowball the character so much these days.

By April, the HoT, if we consider him to be the Outlander, will probably be around Yoda level, tbh. Or at least a little below Vader level.