Curry's Tourney's Finals: Id vs Digi

Hope you don't mind if I take away the quote, since it makes for worse readability. From here on, the finalist's write ups:

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Digi Writeup

So originally, my character was to be named something different each match, based on a randomizer on wikipedia. Curry never followed through with it, but let's bring it back for the finals:

Character: Oregon Pioneer
Body: Ultimo
Mind/Equipment: Dark Angel
Powers: Havok

Magic: The Gathering

I'm not a huge M:TG fan, but stay with me. I read a MTG novel once, and the main character was a particularly clever and powerful spellcaster. Near the end of the novel, he ends up in conflict with the overseer of the entire realm (a Planeswalker, if memory serves). He goes to a different dimension to do battle with this guy. Dozens of spells flying around, summoned creatures and affects running rampant, just a huge and glorious battle between two powerful opponents. But the guy is outmatched...the Planeswalker is just too powerful, and it slowly becomes obvious that he can't win. But he keeps going, up until the moment he's about to black out and be killed, and casts a spell that reverses all the destructive energy that's been brought against him, and turns it on its original wielder. He couldn't win using just his own power, so he utilized that of his opponent.

Lord Havok (redux)

In case we have any judges who haven't judged a match of mine yet, here's a review of the ridiculous amp that I'm giving Havok:

Havok absorbs ambient cosmic energy:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9209/2zku.jpg
or
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/919/cot8.jpg

The Fabric of the Universe that comprises Dark Angel’s powers IS cosmic energy. As in, an endless source of the stuff that amps Havok to impossible levels.
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5930/x9ik.jpg
…it’s referred to as cosmic energy several times. I can provide more as needed.

And here’s another (very powerful) being similarly drinking of her power, letting it amp him to unimaginable levels:
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6172/atcw.jpg
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6199/zs3v.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8726/6ki6.jpg

And I hope we all remember what Havok can do with that level of power:
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3311/hhv5.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5799/33nm.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3305/s1zz.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5418/ijq6.jpg
And if anyone lacks context, that’s Vulcan, the Omega level mutant energy manipulator who was matching mid heralds, getting taken out by Havok.

After a similar amp, here’s him taking it to Vulcan again:
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/6882/jzmp.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3102/dmng.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5371/u3ia.jpg

And those amps are nothing compared to what I can feed him via Dark Angel’s power.

With this power constantly pouring into Havok’s power set, I can absorb, overpower, or deflect any energy produced, destroy any shielding, and I’ll be able to melt city-sized areas as needed, or smaller areas to fry my opponent or his equipment.

Opening Strategy

Id probably expects me to come into the fight invisible, as I've done the last two matches, to establish initiative. That won't be the case.

I'm going to enter the battle as amped as possible, I'm not going to have shields up, and I'm going to fly directly at Id at supersonic speeds, all 500 feet of nigh-indestructible metal robot, forcing the fight as soon as possible, and I will tank the best offense he can muster.

Let's proceed.

Absorb...

Fun fact, Havok can absorb almost any kind of energy, but it causes him pain if it's not solar:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6079/7xkb.jpg
As we'll see, the pain is actually going to help me.

Dark Angel can also absorb ridiculous amounts of power:
http://imageshack.us/a/img855/2328/p7v0.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img841/9762/cpgv.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/7254/zx4k.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img29/7646/5hc8.jpg

And Ultimo is basically a gigantic energy conversion unit. He grew to his current size by bathing in lava and converting the energy into usable energy that he used to grow, repair, and enhance himself:
http://imageshack.us/a/img30/7491/oh54.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img12/940/hcjz.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/284/2rsm.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img707/7933/ou83.jpg

I'd also contend that these methods of absorption are non-overlapping. Meaning, they're separate, different methods of absorption, and therefore ideal for stacking purposes.

Basically, what I'm showing is, I can convert absurd amount of energy with my character; even as much as someone like Legion can bring to bear.

...and Redirect

Dark Angel's base pain threshold and durability isn't much better than base human durability. Obviously, with Ultimo as my body, this threshold is enhanced several thousand times.

But, given her relatively low base levels, she can internalize pain from another's attack using her powers, storing it up until she can't handle it anymore. Then she can release it back at her attacker:
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/6302/amm7.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/3723/nq50.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/9316/gjc2.jpg

At human level, she can internalize and redirect enough pain Now remember all that absorption. Stacking my character's powers, I can absorb turney-busting levels of energy. Then, converting the pain from those attacks, I store it to its breaking point, and unleash it back on Id at point-blank range.

Magic: The Gathering. Whatever Id's most powerful attack is, whatever he thinks his mega-buster tourney-winning assault will be...that's what I'll be using against him.

Do I possess enough power on my own to defeat Id? Maybe. If we're generous and I get lucky with some attacks. But, let's be honest, probably not. But when I stack it with his own attacks, used against him, suddenly I look a lot better.

Please note, if he brings TOO much power to bear against me (almost inconceivable, given my absorption capabilities), I'll shift Dark Angel's suit into an Ultimo-sized portal, which shunts anything that goes through it into another dimension:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5343/ahy1.jpg
So I won't be overwhelmed, but I'll soak up as much as possible and use it to destroy Id and his amalgam.

And I'm not quite done...

And Destroy

As I read up on Legion, he reminded me of someone. Someone with over 100 different personas locked inside him, literal souls he's trapped and can utilize. Death's Head II (aka Minion).

With that in mind, here's Dark Angel ripping a persona out of DHII, a literal exorcism:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2294/r7nh.jpg
...the second page, that shows the two beings separated that Dark Angel was attacking (she separated Death's Head from the Anti-Being, who had merged and taken over his identity), will be posted soon (the joys of doing writeups away from home without my full comic collection).

And before Id tries to preempt this, I'll note two things:
1. Legion has had personas pulled out of him before. Easily, in fact. They've escaped, been destroyed, tried to influence him or run amok, etc. I have scans to back this up that I'll be posting later

2. This isn't an initial attack. This is the backup in case my redirection only knocks him out or stuns him. I'm going to throw the entire extent of his own power back at him, and THEN jump right into his mind and start tearing away with abandon. I won't be looking for 1-2 personas, I'll just be tearing sh*t up inside his mind. There's a good chance he'll be dead or unconscious by this point, or at the very least dazed beyond recognition, so this will be child's play for me.

At that point, he'll be missing personas, thus without large portions of the powers he's trying to use to defeat me. If he isn't dead from the redirect and mindf*ck (he will be) he'll be neutered to the point of uselessness. At that point, the match is mine.

Endgame

I actually have one more card to play, depending on how Id approaches the fight. But it doesn't need to be included in the writeup. I also have some scans of Legion to help support my writeup. So this is just the start.

Can't wait to see what Id drew up for me. Thanks in advance to Bentley and the judges, and good luck to Id.

Id's write up

The Honey Badger

Body: Rogue
Mind: Quibit
Powers: Sage

Abandon All Hope - Phase One - Prep Time

Step 1: Turn defenses on.
Step 2: Perform a jump start on my body.
Step 3: Compartmentalize the templates so they can be merged, and claim their knowledge/experience.

Abandon All Hope - Phase Two - Strategy
Phuck Shit Up!

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1st Note - Jump Start: When Rogue absorbs/copies someones power, it creates a template. Even after she losses that power, the template remains if dormant. Over the years she has amassed quite a catalog of templates/powers (among them the likes of Omega, and Legion). With the "Jump Start", all the template/powers become active, giving Rogue control over which to pick, and choose.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16257407/X-Treme_X-Men_013_-_03.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16257408/X-Treme_X-Men_013_-_04.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16257412/X-Treme_X-Men_013_-_05.jpg.html
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http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16257422/X-Treme_X-Men_013_-_07.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16257426/X-Treme_X-Men_013_-_08.jpg.html

2nd Note - Compartmentalize: Its within Qubit's capacity to mentally compartmentalize individuals within his mind. The processes is facilitated, and stacks thanks to Sages super computer like brain. Sage has an "Omniversal Feat" to fall back on, that shows her not just overtaking but "Merging" Roma/Merlyn, along with thousands of other individual personas. Which means, Qubit with Sage's brain like computer will easily compartmentalize all of Rogues templates.

3rd Note - Mutant Goddess: Rogue has successfully hot linked herself to all of Legions persona's at once.

If anyone payed close attention, I have finally gone forward to what I have heavily alluded in my prior match ups, and pre-match discussion. The merging of persona's, thus unifying all abilities, making Rogue a "composite" being from the active templates. This does away with the need for me to pick, choose, and cycle through different templates, thus grant me "innate" control over all abilities. And not just innate control, Marvel has made it very clear that such merging, means said person would become more powerful than the sum total of individual parts.

Yes I have done the unthinkable, and become more powerful than the template pertaining to True Legion.

With that said, I would like point out that Northstar, and Lightmaster are among the many templates, and its innate abilities are under my command. Despite the rules restricting "physical" movements to mach 10. Speed of thought, reaction time, and perception of speed are not. Therefore my train of thought would near the speed of light. Far higher than Digi is able to produce. Despite Digi rushing at Full Speed, it means little, since mach 10 is far to slow to close the gap light speed thought processing. To me, his movements are about as fast, as an ice statue. To make thing more interesting, the bulk of my abilities are thought base.
My point, the speed advantage is on my side.

Hey well Digi told us how the means of attacks where heavily inspired by a novel written by Magic: The Gathering. I myself am geek inspired as-well. Let me lay out my inspiration. Has anyone ever read or seen Saint Seiya? The Classic Manga/Anime that is. Well in Saint Seiya there is a particular character named Shaka, that once he reaches the apex of his power, he is able to perform a certain technique called "Tenbu Horin".
Tenbu Horin, acts as a defensive/offensive technique that restricts the victims movements. Unable to defend, attack, or escape. The follow up is that, Shaka than proceeds to seal/strip said victim of his 5 human senses, one by one.

YouTube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCVw_qE6L34
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[*]Tenbu Horin: I am going to do a modified version of Shaka's Tenbu Horin. For the reminder of this match, I am going to bring up how I am going to apply my version of a Tenbu Horin, seal/strip Digi of his core components, before the inevitable end.

[*]Monkey Wrench: Along the way, I will count down the a number of Monkey Wrenches thrown to his plan/argument, that point out how some of his strongest armaments, are simply infective before Rogue.
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Tenbu Horin - First Seal - Movement
At the start of his match, a stasis field will be call up. This Stasis Field will completely restrict his movements.
OHH! But! But I have defenses, and this universe suit that manipulates time/space, for some crazy Spot like dimension shifting abilities. Yeah well..It Doesn't MATTER!
Besides the fact that reality is mine to mold, control, and restructure as I please.

Besides the fact, that space/time are my play things, therefore dimension folding is playdough for me.

Legion has proven that his Stasis Field is superior to Tempus (Eva Bell) own, who seemly controls space/time.

Yes, Legion Stasis field, and powers overrides those with space/time powers. BAM!
1st Monkey Wrench
The following will be completely ineffectual.

1. Legion has had persona's pulled out of him before. Easily, in fact. They've escaped, been destroyed, tried to influence him or run amok, etc. I have scans to back this up that I'll be posting later.

-Snip- jump right into his mind and start tearing away with abandon. I won't be looking for 1-2 persona's, I'll just be tearing sh*t up inside his mind. There's a good chance he'll be dead or unconscious by this point, or at the very least dazed beyond recognition, so this will be child's play for me.

Now let me point out there are serious dangers, in the appliance of mental intrusion.

Imprisonment. My mind has set up defenses to trap intruders.

In the case that he somehow breaches my defenses. A direct contact/engagement, equates to the forfeit of his life, since I now have Styx "Death Touch" abilities added to my own. Said Death Touch can function even within my own mind-scape.

My point? If you jump into my mind, I can only garuntee one of two things. Your imprisonment, or demise. Double BAM!

Digi Post #1

I have two sections here. First is responding to Id. The other is one more major tactic I'll be utilizing.

Id's still coasting. Time to widen the gap in overall strategy that I opened up in my writeup.

Originally posted by "Id"
Yes I have done the unthinkable, and become more powerful than the template pertaining to True Legion.

In past matches, Id's opponents tried to tell him the Rogue unlock wouldn't work. They failed.

But this? Well, there's a reason it's a sentence, not a scan. There's still a limit to the number of power you can bring to bear at any given time; and your > True Legion theory has nothing behind it.

Originally posted by "Id"
With that said, I would like point out that Northstar, and Lightmaster are among the many templates, and its innate abilities are under my command.

I had to point this out against PG, and I'll do so again.

Id's throwing names around like he gets their power sets in full. He doesn't, and it's not even NEAR their full power set. Any flier worth a damn can hit Mach 10. This includes Dark Angel and Ultimo.

So basically, if I attack him, I can hit him. Perception means nothing if you lack the speed to move out of the way of something.

Also, any high meta worth their salt has enhanced reflexes. That includes Dark Angel:
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8672/nhds.jpg
Note that it says milliseconds.

Moral of the story: any speed edge he claims is not only overstated, but nonexistent.

Originally posted by "Id"
At the start of his match, a stasis field will be call up. This Stasis Field will completely restrict his movements.

Meh, teleportation:
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4777/t5f2.jpg
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1085/kqk.jpg
And note that she was a LONG way away from her destination.

And it's doubtful that a regular old stasis field would do anything to my psychotically-amped Havok. If anything, it's more energy to absorb.

Originally posted by "Id"
OHH! But! But I have defenses, and this universe suit that manipulates time/space, for some crazy Spot like dimension shifting abilities. Yeah well..It Doesn't MATTER!
Besides the fact that reality is mine to mold, control, and restructure as I please.

Teleportation, invisibility, phasing so that the matter slides right through me. I have options. It's a fun feat, but not the deus ex he wants it to be.

It's also worth noting that Angel's armor is literally tied to the extra-dimensional portal I can turn into. There's every possibility that it overloads Id's space-warping powers. I have no proof of this, but it's just as likely as him being able to manipulate something so vast.

Lastly, this monstrous feat may actually be enough to convince the judges that any space bending could be entirely negated by (un-amped) Havok alone:
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7255/j8gl.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/8418/9qk4.jpg

That's a black hole, which in the scan was capable of destroying a large chunk of the planet. And what do black holes do? Bend reality on a massive scale? And that's Havok neutralizing it. Again, un-amped. And Id wants you to believe that an attack several orders of magnitude LESS than that is enough to topple me. Try harder.

Originally posted by "Id"
The following will be completely ineffectual. {Digi Note: he's referring to the mind-rape here}

Your reasons for saying this won't work don't account for my strategy. I'm only extracting personas by the bushel once I've stunned, dazed, or KOd you, etc. You won't be at normal operating capacities, you won't be coherent, and you might not even be conscious.

Originally posted by "Id"
Now let me point out there are serious dangers, in the appliance of mental intrusion.

Imprisonment. My mind has set up defenses to trap intruders.

My point? If you jump into my mind, I can only garuntee one of two things. Your imprisonment, or demise. Double BAM!

And we come to our first straw man. Where did I say I was entering your mind?

Oh, right, I didn't and I'm not. You wanted so badly to use your mental defense scans that you tried to project your hopes onto my plan.

Here's the complete feat, by the way:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2294/r7nh.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9835/lted.jpg

I rip them out from the outside. No astral or internal psychic presence needed.

And in case the feat is challenged, here's DA explaining the process as "a mental extraction, akin to an exorcism":
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/73/13q5.jpg

It's also worth noting that the being she exorcised in that scan was AT LEAST Trans. level in terms of his potential destructive ability (in the description scan, that's him casually blasting entire star systems). We're not talking about a normal creature.

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Part II:
No Homo

We've talked about the incalculable energy absorption and redirect. We've talked about the mental extraction of personas. And I've countered his initial counter-thrust, which was no different than what he's done in past matches. Now, let's get into my other ace in the hole...

I'm going to let Id touch me.

Well, strictly speaking, I may have to force him to touch me. But let's shift away from the increasingly rapey descriptions and get to the strategy itself.

We've already been over the nature of Angel's suit (see: writeup). It's literally Fabric of the Universe, an energy source given physical manifestation. And one of the interesting things about it is that the harness Angel wears (the tech-looking gear on top of the suit) is what allows her to properly channel the suit's power. Without it, she would go mad from the enormity of it:
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/5998/ziuz.jpg
And once her armor returns, an abstract being relates to her that most who experience such an overload "dissipate into eternity."
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/8498/it5e.jpg

What does Rogue do? Absorb properties. And what will happen when I force you to absorb the abstract cosmos, with no way whatsoever to channel or use the power? Basically, Rogue will be fried. Or, at the very least, so disoriented that I can do whatever I want.

Here's Rogue becoming a vegetable trying to do something similar...absorb all of Death's Head II's personalities:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3185/pqvs.jpg

And yes, I know it's Qubit's mind I'm facing. He'll be in the middle of a battle, taken by surprise, and will have no time to erect mental defenses against the sudden overload. The above scenario is not only likely but a certainty.

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So, to recap:

1. I absorb anything he gives me.
2. I redirect his own power back at him.
3. I overload his consciousness with the Fabric of the Universe.
4. I tear at his personas via my exorcism abilities.

Any of those can kill him. More than one will make it a certainty.

He hasn't even shown anything at amped Havok's level. His attacks are ineffectual, his advantages marginal or nonexistent.

On my opening post, I pointed out the difference in Processing Speed, with Rogue now inheriting Lightmaster/Northstars speedy abilities.

Now I want to point out another great advantage, a byproduct of unifying personalities. Its the Enhancing/Adding my Extra Sensory Perception, to a higher standard. And I mean, an All Knowing-Telepathic-Precog. As such there is literately nothing I wouldn't know about, with no blind-spots. I hold the templates from the following characters:

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[*]Telepathy: Exodus, Legion, Xavier, Rachel, Psylocke etc...
[*]Precog/Future Sight of: Time-Sink, Fiend
[*]Omniscience: Delphic
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What this means is, his thoughts, and possible actions are an open book for me.
Some Rebuttals

Originally posted by Digi

In past matches, Id's opponents tried to tell him the Rogue unlock wouldn't work. They failed.

But this? Well, there's a reason it's a sentence, not a scan. There's still a limit to the number of power you can bring to bear at any given time.

Originally posted by Digi
and your > True Legion theory has nothing behind it.

"For better or worse, the time David spent in his coma has largely healed his fractured mind. Now he more powerful than the sum of his parts".
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17029651/__hr_Uncanny_X-Men_320_Large-08.jpg.html

Originally posted by Digi
I had to point this out against PG, and I'll do so again.

Id's throwing names around like he gets their power sets in full. He doesn't, and it's not even NEAR their full power set. Any flier worth a damn can hit Mach 10. This includes Dark Angel and Ultimo.

So basically, if I attack him, I can hit him. Perception means nothing if you lack the speed to move out of the way of something.
Moral of the story: any speed edge he claims is not only overstated, but nonexistent.

I actually read the verdict to your match, with PG. For the judges, who actually brought up the topic of Speed, they gave the nod to Psycho. Its not a difficult concept to grasp. Physical movement are restrained to mach 10. Speed of thought, and Reaction Time are exempted. And If I happen to have near light speed speed of thought, and you don't. Guess what? My train of thought, and thought base actions are superior to yours.

P.S. Rogue took Northstar's full-speed.

Originally posted by Digi
And we come to our first straw man. Where did I say I was entering your mind?

Oh, right, I didn't and I'm not. You wanted so badly to use your mental defense scans that you tried to project your hopes onto my plan.

In the end it does not matter. A unified mind, guarantees there are not subsequent personalities for you to exorcise.

Originally posted by Digi
It's also worth noting that Angel's armor is literally tied to the extra-dimensional portal I can turn into. There's every possibility that it overloads Id's space-warping powers. I have no proof of this, but it's just as likely as him being able to manipulate something so vast.

And it's doubtful that a regular old stasis field would do anything to my psychotically-amped Havok. If anything, it's more energy to absorb.

Dark Angels Spatial powers, pales in comparison to Legions. You want cover the sun with your finger, and believe that her ability to manipulate portals, and move through space, are superior to someone that can move entire cosmos the way you we move a computer file to another folder.

Or that Havok taxed to his limits, in holding back a black hole, outdoes Legions ability to tear down reality.

What it comes down to. Your spatial abilities, are not enough to save you from being held frozen from a stasis field of my creation. That makes no sense. Your Mid Tier character, is not built to handle an Abstract Tier character. Simple. Rogue would treat your spatial powers, no different than how Legion treated Tempus space/time powers as mere air balloons, and pop them.

Originally posted by Digi
What does Rogue do? Absorb properties. And what will happen when I force you to absorb the abstract cosmos, with no way whatsoever to channel or use the power? Basically, Rogue will be fried. Or, at the very least, so disoriented that I can do whatever I want.

You do know, that in current times, Rogue controls when to absorb? This is a can of worms for you, not only is this ineffective, it can cost you. Can shut off the Rogue mimic/absorb ability, and simply use Styx Death Touch.

If you literately allow yourself to touch me with the Styx persona active. You might as well forfeit your match.

Tenbu Horin - Second Seal - The Universe
Following up in my inspired version of Tenbu Horin. I am going to flex some of my cosmic muscle. I will proceed to wipe out the external Universe leaving the battlefield in tact. True Legion isn't the only Reality Warper under my command. Moira is also part of my repository of templates. And her power was used to do just that in the Age of X.

By doing away with the external universe. Our battlefield now seemingly floats in un-space. Without the External Universe, Dark Angel losses the bulk of her abilities as her suit is no longer able to tap into Fabric of the Universe, and Havok is no longer able to feed himself energy...let it be by Dark Angles suit, or ambient energy.

2nd Monkey Wrench
This part of Digi's strategy amusingly caught my eye.

Originally posted by Digi
Dark Angel's base pain threshold and durability isn't much better than base human durability. Obviously, with Ultimo as my body, this threshold is enhanced several thousand times.

But, given her relatively low base levels, she can internalize pain from another's attack using her powers, storing it up until she can't handle it anymore. Then she can release it back at her attacker.

Two Names: Bleeding Image, and Susan in Sunshine.

Two Abilities: Empathic pain transfer, and Emotion energy manipulation/conversion.

Which means that Bleeding Image Voodoo Doll like abilities would not only ensure, emotional/empathetic like attacks return back to you. But with Susans ability, return it with an added intensity.

Advantages
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[*] Speed of Thought
[*] Omniscient-Telepathic-Precog.
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Tenbu Horin
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[*]Movement Sealed (Stasis Field)
[*]Dark Angles Powers Sealed (No More External Universe)
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Monkey Wrenches
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[*]Unified Mind denies you the ability to apply a mental exorcism.
[*]Pain/Empathetic attacks are rebounded by pain transfer, and emotion manipulation.
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Digi Post #2

Overstatement. It rules tourneys. It's why judges have such a hard time figuring things out sometimes. And why some of us take to tourneys much more quickly. Believable embellishments are encoded into the DNA of many posters. I'm no saint - I once used a feat for Adam Warlock that actually wasn't him at all, banking on the judges to overlook it - but some are more guilty of it than others.

I'm going to look at several small-to-medium sized embellishments Id's making that are all interconnected. And along the way, we'll see some other isolated weaknesses and faults in his characters. Together, they form a massive problem for his overall strategy.

Qubit

Let's take a look at the guy keeping Id's amalgam of epic destiny together: Qubit.

Smart guy, some nifty powers. Oh, and almost everything he does, he does with a ton of prep. And he's not actually as powerful as Id claims, in ANY department, including the mind prisons.

First, his teleportation is tech-dependent:
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/2255/fxg1.jpg

...and while Id gets this tech with Qubit as a mind pick, it's not always that sturdy. See, when he's using it, he's rarely in a dogfight. But what happens as soon as someone actually attacks him? This:
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/5199/6iyk.jpg

But that's just me warming up. Let's take a look at what Id's really been using him for. See, he knows that his mesh doesn't work well at all if he doesn't have some sort of mind-system set up. The supposed brain compartments of Qubit are a handy way around this. Here's the scan:
http://imageshack.us/a/img607/1574/4loj.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/3065/ypx8.jpg

Let me say that again: Here's THE scan.

That's it folks. No other evidence, nothing. And it was a prepped feat, knowing the guy was going to try to possess him by jumping into his mind. We barely see into Qubit's mind ever again, and this is the only time we see a containment unit. There's no suggestion that he can access the persona he's trapped (it's a prison, not a colander). There's also absolutely nothing to suggest he can do this to the hundreds of personas Id wants you to believe.

I'd love to just go power for power with Id - and I think I'm doing quite well with that anyway - but I can't let this slide. Judges, Qubit has a powerful mind. But what he did is light years away from what Id is trying...the order of magnitude is literally thousands of times stronger. And I'd contend that Qubit simply cannot do what Id thinks he can in

Now let's find some more evidence that hurts him in this area...

Legion

Legion's personas are not the nice kind. In fact, they've escaped:
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/8966/88kg.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/553/fjud.jpg

And this was after having a mental prison system set up for him (by someone else) over a period of months:
http://imageshack.us/a/img6/9857/3cpx.jpg
...for reference, that's the kind of mental castle Id THINKS he has, but doesn't. And even when Legion had that, it did no good.

Need more proof? Here he is losing control again later in the same story arc:
http://imageshack.us/a/img801/3676/e3lq.jpg
And what's that, individual personalities get stronger with use?! Id never shared that with us. Shame, shame.

Let's dig around. More proof:
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/1633/3lfw.jpg

And more:
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/8589/8eh8.jpg

And here, as his mind breaks (again), notice how he says it took him months to achieve a stability:
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7885/eilw.jpg
...also interesting, yet ANOTHER personality busted out of his mind as a result of the above scan.

So while Id is busy warring his own amalgam while trying to corral it into a neat little ball, let's also remind everyone that even Legion isn't invulnerable:
http://imageshack.us/a/img809/5499/f5ps.jpg
Nor is Rogue (evidence omitted, since it's common knowledge)

Meanwhile, I have a nigh-invulnerable 500-foot-tall alien robot with an interdimensional space suit and close to planet-busting energy powers. No muss, no fuss, just beatdown in a bottle.

Rogue

We already know Rogue can go catatonic from too much persona input:
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3185/pqvs.jpg

She has also burnt herself out channeling the powers of others:
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/7394/1lji.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/3646/kv6v.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img580/2722/ioky.jpg

And has had her memory wiped clean:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16339132/X-Men_-_Legacy_224_016.jpg.html
...suggesting that, if she does still have access to everything Id claims, there may be some gaps in memory preventing full usage or easy assimilation. And how does Rogue interact with Legion? That's right, through his memories:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5363/ht8r.jpg

Put It All Together

Qubit has a single feat of mind prison...
...which is comically smaller than what he'd need to do to encase all of Legion's personas...
...which is further made more difficult because Legion's personas have fought back...
...and further complicated by the fact that they already know how to escape mental prisons...
...and further complicated by the fact that Rogue has been knocked out by such a rush (she was also incredibly tired after rummaging through Legion in the first place)...
...and that there's a limit to what Rogue's body can handle, to what Qubit's mind can handle, and to the number of power sets he can have access to at any given point.

Now, I don't doubt the core concepts of Id's strategy. I'm not claiming he doesn't have a jump-started Rogue. It's clever, has on-panel evidence of it, and I'd be a fool for trying to debunk him entirely. But what I am saying is that the amount of power output he has access to, and the number of personas, is almost laughably less than what Id is claiming.

Id was better off when he only grabbed 5-6 powers per match. Here he's building "True Legion." True Legion, given all of these drawbacks and obstacles, is a joke. It's not even remotely conceivable. Id will be battling himself and trying to keep his amalgam together just as much as he'll be battling me. Each step I've documented is matched by at least one scans of evidence, usually more. It should amount to heavy doubt...not about Id's strategy, but the level at which his strategy will actually be operating.

Now, take all of that, PLUS everything I'm doing. I'm shocking his system with the unfiltered Fabric. I'm ripping at his psyches by exorcising personas. I'm making this infinitely worse for him, and we're not even sure things were going that well for him to begin with.

Id's basic plan probably works, but it's not bullet-proof. There are flaws that make it less powerful than he claims. And I'm tailoring my strategy to each one of them.

Overstatement, judges. See it for what it is.

Digi Post #3

Garth One-eye. That was the name of the character is M:TG. Stumbled across it the other day, not even looking for it. An amusingly-timed find. The book was named "Arena." It was a very early entry into the M:TG canon. Anyway, back to the match...

Originally posted by "Id"
If the mind is unified, you can make use off all its power. As it is noted in Legions Quest, when legion reformed his mind, and used the powers of all subsequent powers, under a singular personality.

I'm happy to report that some of the scans I posted in my 2nd post were from this arc. Selectively picking only the scans that support you - with others that refute it - is a dangerous line to walk.

As it is, I posted about half a dozen scans that should irrefutably prove that Legion does NOT have control over his various personas. It's basically a defining characteristic of the character that is Legion.

And you don't have Legion. You have a memory-washed Rogue trying to absorb and manipulate more than she's ever done, with a woefully inadequate mental system of categorization and no guarantee that any level of your amalgam keeps it all together. You don't have a team wrecker, reality-warper. You have an internal time bomb, that is so volatile, no one knows what will happen. The only certainty is that the neat little story you've been telling in your posts is completely false.

Originally posted by "Id"
I actually read the verdict to your match, with PG. For the judges, who actually brought up the topic of Speed, they gave the nod to Psycho.

And they gave the unanimous win to me. If it's an edge at all, it's a negligible one. And the milliseconds feat refutes the idea that your reaction times are actually going to be an advantage for you.

Originally posted by "Id"
Actually you did.

In the end it does not matter. A unified mind, guarantees there are not subsequent personalities for you to exorcise.

Hooray! You can nit-pick words. But look at the scan I posted. It's clear what is happening is NOT what allows you to trap me. Quit trying to spring your nonexistent trap.

Also, the lone instance of Qubit trapping someone is the same you're using to justify the persona prison. Which is it? Because with the psychotic burden being placed on Qubit, are you really going to be able to turn a single mind-trap into both a counter for me AND a prison for the hundreds of angry personas in Legion.

For the record judges, that lone person in Qubit's mind caused his eyesight to change into a technological one used by the person he trapped. A single persona was causing physical (and likely mental) stress.

Originally posted by "Id"
Your psychotically amped Havok, is not in the same league to my Mutant Goddess in Rogue.

There is a clear distinction in level of power, that you have already conceded to such, which makes your response redundant.

Not quite. I came into this fight assuming nothing. I had to prepare for the worst - i.e. judges believing the entirety of your plan, including power levels. But I've thrown some kindling onto the doubt fire - I hope, at least - which should knock you down at least a peg or two.

Because here's the thing. Amped Havok's power level isn't that far behind you, and is certainly better than any energy feat your amalgam possesses. I'm also using your own energy against you. So please, engage me in a raw destructive power contest. If your entire plan is to be believed (and it shouldn't), then I can't quite match your output but I can use it against you.

Originally posted by "Id"
What it comes down to. Your spatial abilities, are not enough to save you from being held frozen from a stasis field of my creation.

The Stasis Field! Thanks for reminding me. Everyone, do you know what that amazing stasis field (posted earlier) was holding?

A pair of eyeballs.

Granted, they were flying eyeballs with some pre-cog abilities. But still just eyeballs. No abilities whatsoever to break out. And hardly a vengeful herald-buster with a bevy of powers. You wanna bet that same stasis field might not do so well against someone that's literally thousands of times more powerful. I'd make that bet.

Yet more overstatement.

Originally posted by "Id"
Following up in my inspired version of Tenbu Horin. I am going to flex some of my cosmic muscle. I will proceed to wipe out the external Universe leaving the battlefield in tact. True Legion isn't the only Reality Warper under my command. Moira is also part of my repository of templates. And her power was used to do just that in the Age of X.

This feat is from an alternate reality, and involves very, very different characters. Unless otherwise justified, this feat should not even be considered.

Originally posted by "Id"
Two Names: Bleeding Image, and Susan in Sunshine.

Two Abilities: Empathic pain transfer, and Emotion energy manipulation/conversion.

Which means that Bleeding Image Voodoo Doll like abilities would not only ensure, emotional/empathetic like attacks return back to you. But with Susans ability, return it with an added intensity.

You're misinterpreting what I'm doing. I'm not attacking you with empathic energy. I convert pain into destructive force. Not more, nothing less. Whatever you inflict on me, you're getting sent right back at you. But in any case, there's nothing that Suzie will be able to manipulate.

Something Smells Fishy

Is anyone else wondering why Id drafted a character whose sole purpose is to provide a mental landscape in which to easily store Legion's personas...and he's now claiming that the personas don't exist, that it's just one mind?

I hope I'm not the only one. Especially after the mountains of evidence I provided last post. It's a subtle back-track to try to avoid strategies that I'm proposing.

It's a Trap!

Originally posted by "Id"
You do know, that in current times, Rogue controls when to absorb? This is a can of worms for you, not only is this ineffective, it can cost you. Can shut off the Rogue mimic/absorb ability, and simply use Styx Death Touch.

If you literately allow yourself to touch me with the Styx persona active. You might as well forfeit your match.

Styx is actually one of the personas I was hoping to encounter.

First, as a side bar, let it be known that Id is still pulling personas individually with stuff like this. The "one mind" thing is just a diversionary tactic at this point.

Second, to the point, take another look at one of the scans I posted earlier:
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/553/fjud.jpg

Styx not only escaped a seemingly "in control" Legion (Legion had a mental prison designed for him, and a wristband capable of manipulating the personalities, and they STILL got out). But Styx was leading them. He wanted out more than anyone, and knew how to do it. Later, it takes the combined efforts of Rogue, Legion, and Xavier just to get him back in.

So really, my exorcism feat will never, ever be easier than if I encounter Styx.

My strategies don't exist in a vacuum. If one is more advantageous than another, that's what I'll do. Legion should already be stunned in some manner - remember that the Fabric absorption isn't an initial tactic in my plan - and if he draws on a personality that actively wants to escape and KNOWS HOW to escape....well, he's doing my job for me. At that point, Legion has bigger problems to deal with. Well, maybe not bigger - Ultimo is pretty jacked, y'all - but certainly just as worrisome. Psychic backlash, mental trauma, the possibility that I just pulled a third combatant onto the battlefield...one that hates Legion and Rogue more than anything. Lots of scary options.

Well I gotta show some love for Qubit, his personal defenses are one of the more impressive tech I've seen in a tournament. They are weaponized spatial warps.

Here is your standard space warps for transportation uses.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17096991/Irredeemable_004_pg014.jpg.html

Catching, and redirecting a bullet in mid flight.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097095/irr_15_18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097101/irr_15_19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097109/irr_15_23.jpg.html

"Forcefields that deflect incoming attacks" "Concentrated teleportation beams which remove invulnerable molecules that cant otherwise be cut".
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097202/irr_19_03.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097203/irr_19_04.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097204/irr_19_05.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097205/irr_19_06.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097206/irr_19_07.jpg.html

Just to be in the clear. Ever since the Vespa weaponized his teleporting tech, Qubit added the same functions.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097221/irr-13.jpg.html

Teleportation Shield, incoming attacks phase right through them.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097223/irr_27_016.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097224/irr_27_017.jpg.html

His tech allows him to travel to the end of time, and protects him against the ambient entropy that plagued the entire universe.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097234/irr_33_024.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097240/irr_34_008.jpg.html

He did fairly well in battle, until he was overwhelmed.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097243/irr_36_006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097245/irr_36_007.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097247/irr_36_008.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097249/irr_36_014.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17097251/irr_36_015.jpg.html

Keep in mind this was a battle against Modeus/Bette.
"Look at me! I'm not a fusion reactor! I don't have enough energy to fight you! But I can draw it from distant Star! For every moment I hold you down...For every blow you force me to land...An entire Star System Dies"
http://imgur.com/vvwIYwS
http://imgur.com/qA5QA1b
http://imgur.com/DnYirHo
http://imgur.com/HYp94es
http://imgur.com/vaF1fRz
http://imgur.com/S2dRbGq
http://imgur.com/jSvtcfG
http://imgur.com/tpbaCfd
http://imgur.com/ciDAEAc
http://imgur.com/bu5G8Bn
http://imgur.com/HzXHpZz
http://imgur.com/0Nnj2zM
http://imgur.com/Ea4817a
http://imgur.com/y7cMfru

Well Digi such a big reply, I think it would be more appropriate to address the core components, of my Amalgam. Funny word thing that word, "Amalgam" as it is the composite unit made from separate components, which seems to escape much of Digi argument.

Anyway.

Qubit - Sage - Rogue (The Power of 3)
Qubit: What my character attempted in earlier matches, was to hold thousands of powers through the templates. Although Qubit may have a single feat, over a single person. Qubit is "Amalgamated" with Sage powers, and physical abilities. Which means I can make use of Sage's feat of doing exactly what I claim. "Compartmentalizing, and Merging" of thousands of individuals into a single mind. You cant miss it, Omniversal Feat posted in my prep write up. Yeah Baby! Yeah!

Sage: As the scan points out, these mental persona's, are full fledged life forms who where absorbed over the lifetime of Roma/Merlyn. Thats full fledged entities no different than Legions own making it an excellent basis of equivalence, and direct point of reference.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16338631/NE_15_Onlyorko_DCP_024.jpg.html

So yes, the processes of assimilating the templates, should be much easier than what Sage did with Roma/Merlyn/Omniversal mentalities.

Rogue: Rogue is awesome, the following gave me a coke, and smile.

Originally posted by Digi
We already know Rogue can go catatonic from too much persona input:
-snip-
She has also burnt herself out channeling the powers of others:
-snip-

Proof? In one instance she copied Omega (Collective) and Mimic at the same time. On another instance she copied the full spectrum of Legion powers all at once. As I understand, new feats take precedent over old feats.

Quick Note: Previously Charlotte questioned, if the feat of Rogue copying Mimic, and Omega even existed, and than cried of its redundancy. Anyways here it is. *smiles

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17129432/Zone-X-men-020.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16198860/X-Men_Legacy_0019.jpg.html

And has had her memory wiped clean:
-snip-
...suggesting that, if she does still have access to everything Id claims, there may be some gaps in memory preventing full usage or easy assimilation. And how does Rogue interact with Legion? That's right, through his memories:
-snip-

Read the scan carefully friend. Her mind was fragmented by the empty templates. Most of those gaps in memories, are from the "OLD" templates. The ones that where emptied out by Baby Hope. It was those Old templates, that prevented Rogue from using her powers. Prevented Rogue's mutant ability to grow. And it was those templates Xavier tore down, and thus reintegrate her mind.

After all, sans this event Rouge retained full memory of herself, and her history. To be honest she never really suffered from a amnesic state.

Oh phuck to the phuck yes I am claiming the powers being used, are from the new templates created sans this event. Shaa Bang!

Templates =/= Persona's
Templates are psionic containers that retain memories, and powers of said character being mimicked. They are not fully autonomous functioning persona's, with their own lifeforce such as the ones held by Legion or Sage. Which leads to my main points:

[list]
[*]When Rogue was jump-started, she NEVER needed a Cataloging system to jail her templates. Legion did, but Rouge didn't. I simply introduced the fact, to make Rogue more efficient.

[*]You point out Legions "Personas" fighting among each other, or even escaping his mentalscape. Now when has Rogues "Templates" done either? Oh thats Right! NEVER!. Making your bias points of reference hogwash.
[/list]

Singular Mind - All The Power
Digi keeps treating my character as if I am still cycling through thousands of templates, using a few powers at a time. Nooope

During prep these templates where integrated, to create a composite mind, with all the power. In doing so, not only is my character more powerful than simply accessing Moira, or True Legion templates. Its power augments, along with its efficiency.

Yes Legion is plagued by the flaw of containing too many Personas at once. However his power, and ability take a spike when he integrates his mind, like he did so here:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17129770/X-Men_Legacy_020-011.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17129773/X-Men_Legacy_020-013.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17129774/X-Men_Legacy_020-014.jpg.html

Is anyone else wondering why Id drafted a character whose sole purpose is to provide a mental landscape in which to easily store Legion's personas...and he's now claiming that the personas don't exist, that it's just one mind?

I hope I'm not the only one. Especially after the mountains of evidence I provided last post. It's a subtle back-track to try to avoid strategies that I'm proposing.

July 24th 2013 - Sent to Digi
I sent you pm that specifically states, that I am reserving my best hand for the finals, with the plan to maximize my character.
http://i.imgur.com/DpKSvw2.jpg

July 28th 2013 - vs Chip (4th Post)
And I point out, Sage's compartmentalization allows her to merge persona into a single being.
http://i.imgur.com/4iiH2fy.jpg

Aug 15th 2013 - vs Charlotte (Prep Write Up)
Point out the same with Charlotte, only this time during prep.
http://i.imgur.com/IaOAqXC.jpg

There has not been ANY backtracking on my behalf. And this is me, realizing what told you in the PM. To attain a composite power, was in the works ever since, I drafted my picks. I've been anything but subtle about it.

Tenbu Horin - Third Seal - Havok's Mutation
Invulnerability through shields or not. I retain the ability pass through them, and shut off his mutant ability, like he did to Cannonball in mid flight. With the 3rd seal, Havok's mutation gets shut off.
http://i.imgur.com/YgXSZs6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8rYjEwt.jpg

3rd Monkey Wrench
"This Heat...is nothing to ME. We have traveled between realities. We have jouneyed through stars, and remained unburned. I am the abasance of heat"
http://i.imgur.com/uKmOeEx.jpg

Havoks plasma attacks where never a threat to Rogue.

131fist

Digi Post #4

Originally posted by "Id"
Well I gotta show some love for Qubit, his personal defenses are one of the more impressive tech I've seen in a tournament. They are weaponized spatial warps

Oh, no no no. Don't try to distract us. Everything - everything - Qubit does is made redundant with the powers you're claiming to pull from Legion. And frankly, despite the fun teleportation trickery, he doesn't have any real feats that are aiding you in our clash of titans.

Besides, I already showed how fragile his tech is, which is the basis for all of his teleportation stuff anyway. In the super-heated plasma-and-energy vortex you and are are going to be creating, his tech won't last two seconds.

Judges, the ONLY relevant thing Qubit has to offer is the mind compartments. And there's ONE feat of ONE compartment...and that was with prep.

It's also worth noting that anything Qubit can do, I can do better:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5343/ahy1.jpg
or
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4777/t5f2.jpg
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1085/kqk.jpg

Ok, so the teleportation feat isn't "better" but it's also less dependent on tech that will atomize in the opening seconds of the fight. And the absorption feat certainly IS better.

Originally posted by "Id"
Qubit: What my character attempted in earlier matches, was to hold thousands of powers through the templates. Although Qubit may have a single feat, over a single person. Qubit is "Amalgamated" with Sage powers, and physical abilities. Which means I can make use of Sage's feat of doing exactly what I claim. "Compartmentalizing, and Merging" of thousands of individuals into a single mind.

Qubit isn't a mutant, so there's no unlocking to be had. Sage's abilities are for Rogue, but do absolutely nothing for Qubit. You don't get to extrapolate your one tiny feat and somehow leverage that into doing something that is - by your own admission - thousands of times more complex.

Also, just for the record:

Originally posted by "Id"
Although Qubit may have a single feat, over a single person.

Just want that dually noted. Moving on.

While we're on the subject of ability usage, I let something go earlier that I wanted to touch on:

Originally posted by "Id"
You do know, that in current times, Rogue controls when to absorb?

This was in reference to my "touching" strat wherein I overload him temporarily with the Fabric of the Universe, thus gaining the advantage.

The tournament stipulates that The "Mind" pick (in this case, Qubit), gets full knowledge of how to use the "Powers" pick (Sage). However, we only get access to the Body pick's full range of powers if the mind can believably be said to know how to use them. Otherwise, it's just strength, durability, healing, etc.

Now, Sage understands how to unlock templates, so that's all well and good. But neither one of them - particular our mind pick Qubit - has any idea of how to control absorption. It literally took Rogue decades to master this, and Qubit has no knowledge of her and does NOT have Sage's memories, just an understanding of how to use her powers.

Long story short, current 616 Rogue can control when to absorb, but because of how the tourney rules are set up, Id's amalgam will not have that same luxury. Any claim to the contrary is in direct opposition to the rules we've been operating under.

Originally posted by "Id"
Context is being left out. Old Rouge went cationic, not the new Rogue. Modern Rogue ability has matured since those heydays.

This is actually subject to the same flaw I pointed out in the last couple paragraphs. But this is only part of the equation, because I showed multiple instances of Rogue having difficulty, and that's in addition to this being easily the most complex thing she's ever had to contain. And that's before we count the faults of Qubit and the added stresses my overarching strategy is putting on your amalgam.

Again, you drafted Qubit almost specifically for his mind compartments, and now you don't need them? It's nothing but backtracking in the face of an inconvenient counter to your strat.

Originally posted by "Id" [*]When Rogue was jump-started, she NEVER needed a Cataloging system to jail her templates. Legion did, but Rouge didn't. I simply introduced the fact, to make Rogue more efficient.

This is somewhat speculative, because she possessed the powers so briefly, but there's no reason to believe that Legion's powers/personas work any differently. In any case, if they didn't work like this, why draft Qubit in the first place? Also, if you're cataloging to make Rogue more efficient, it still makes each compartment vulnerable to the various forces I'm using to disturb them. And at worst, you really do have rogue personalities running loose once I get a hold of them (with on-panel evidence from every era of Legion's history to back that up).

Originally posted by "Id" July 24th 2013 - Sent to Digi
I sent you pm that specifically states, that I am reserving my best hand for the finals, with the plan to maximize my character.
http://i.imgur.com/DpKSvw2.jpg

Heh. First, this isn't evidence toward anything, this was just PM banter during earlier matches. My point about having time to prepare for you was well made, though. I spent that time wisely. You're going for a bit bigger version of your earlier plan, yes, but essentially haven't changed anything. Adaptive strategies are a b*tch.

Originally posted by "Id"
There has not been [b]ANY backtracking on my behalf. And this is me, realizing what told you in the PM. To attain a composite power, was in the works ever since, I drafted my picks. I've been anything but subtle about it.[/B]

You trotted out some rebuttals to Chip and Charlotte, which is fine. You won those matches convincingly, after all. However, I've been very clear from the start. They tried to discredit your entire strategy. There's too much canon evidence for such a rebuttal. My point, however, has been more nuanced, and has to do with the efficiency and stability of your entire plan...and how it won't stack up to your vision for it. And also how that makes it vulnerable to my particular strategies and counters to your amalgam. Overstatement, as I elaborated on at length earlier.

Don't conflate me with the earlier straw men. They fought well, but helped show me what NOT to do.

Originally posted by "Id"
[B]Tenbu Horin - Third Seal - Havok's Mutation
Invulnerability through shields or not. I retain the ability pass through them, and shut off his mutant ability, like he did to Cannonball in mid flight. With the 3rd seal, Havok's mutation gets shut off.
http://i.imgur.com/YgXSZs6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8rYjEwt.jpg[/B]

Good luck with that. There's about half a dozen things that will be going on at this point in the match, that if you and I get this close, trying to do this will be the last thing on your mind. It's also worth noting that the Fabric that I'll be sheathed in will provide a deterrent to this, as it covers any portion of my body that I choose.

Originally posted by "Id"
"This Heat...is nothing to ME. We have traveled between realities. We have jouneyed through stars, and remained unburned. I am the abasance of heat"
http://i.imgur.com/uKmOeEx.jpg

Havoks plasma attacks where never a threat to Rogue.

Really? I beg to differ. Hell, in the scan you just posted, Legion gets injured:
http://i.imgur.com/8rYjEwt.jpg

And you think I can't hurt you?
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3311/hhv5.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5799/33nm.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3305/s1zz.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5418/ijq6.jpg

You like pretending you have a fully realized Omega level mutant. That's what happens to another Omega whose power specifically allows him to manipulate such energy. I am at least that powerful, and likely quite enhanced beyond it.

So good luck wading into my attacks. If all I did was try to blast you, you might have a point. But I'm redirecting, overloading, blasting, and tearing at every level of your amalgam.

See, this whole time, you've been strutting your amalgam through the tournament like nobody can touch you (sometimes deservedly so). But you have it all wrong:
http://youtu.be/B3lsJmwNO40?t=34s

I would like to clear a point, that during prep, I clearly mentioned my intentions using a compartmentalization, with the effort to Unite the mind. Not to establish a prison like I did, in previous matches.

For reasons beyond my grasp, Digi likes to forgo the fact, and bring up qualms involving a cataloging system, that Legion struggled to maintain. Why? Seriously why? Unlike previous matches I do not have a mental prison set up, I opted to merge the mind for better results.

There is a logical fault, in comparing Legions mindscape to Rogue. Let me point them out.
[list]

[*] Legion has full blown persona's. Rogue has templates. They are not exactly the same. Legions are independent acting living individuals. Templates are psionic containers that hold memory, and power of said individual. Also keep in mind, Rogue never needed or used a cataloging system when she was jumpstarted. To say that she "did" or "does", drops a burden of proof for squarely on Digi shoulders.

[*] And that's with a Cataloging system. Not a unified mind. Meaning, even if it where true (its not). With a unified mind, neither would be plagued by the maintenance problems, raised in a mental prison due to all sub peronas being absorbed by the main personality.

[/list]

I am also quiet baffled by Digi following claim, "that I am subtly backtracking my efforts to move from a mental prison, in-favor of a unified mind, in sight of his argument?....how is that possible? The act to unify the mind was written in prep, without knowledge of what Digi had in-stored. Unless Digi gave me, the same treatment Beatbooks gave Psycho, and sent me his prep/strat before hand. There is no way I could have retrofitted my argument, in sight of what has posted. Thats just plain ignorant.

Heha, I am not the one making subtle backtracks. Digi is, but more on that latter. The main point, I did away with mental prison used in earlier matches. In favor of a Unified Mind (One Mind - All the Power), much like Legions did here:

Some Rebuttals

Qubit isn't a mutant, so there's no unlocking to be had. Sage's abilities are for Rogue, but do absolutely nothing for Qubit. You don't get to extrapolate your one tiny feat and somehow leverage that into doing something that is - by your own admission - thousands of times more complex.

Also, just for the record:

Originally posted by Digi
The tournament stipulates that The "Mind" pick (in this case, Qubit), gets full knowledge of how to use the "Powers" pick (Sage)

Originally posted by Digi
Summary of Participants and Rulings:

Powers - Inherent knowledge of powers is granted to your "mind." Anything that is learned (MA skill, magic incantations, etc.) is considered "mind." Anything innate (mutant powers, natural abilities, etc.) is considered a "power."

Well by your own admission, I should be able to claim the feats related to Sage's power just fine. Oh look she merged the persona to form a composite mind. Neat! Lets move on.

This was in reference to my "touching" strat wherein I overload him temporarily with the Fabric of the Universe, thus gaining the advantage.

The tournament stipulates that The "Mind" pick (in this case, Qubit), gets full knowledge of how to use the "Powers" pick (Sage). However, we only get access to the Body pick's full range of powers if the mind can believably be said to know how to use them. Otherwise, it's just strength, durability, healing, etc.

Now, Sage understands how to unlock templates, so that's all well and good. But neither one of them - particular our mind pick Qubit - has any idea of how to control absorption. It literally took Rogue decades to master this, and Qubit has no knowledge of her and does NOT have Sage's memories, just an understanding of how to use her powers.

Long story short, current 616 Rogue can control when to absorb, but because of how the tourney rules are set up, Id's amalgam will not have that same luxury. Any claim to the contrary is in direct opposition to the rules we've been operating under.

Sans the mental unification. Not only do I do have knowledge of the X-Gene. My characters intelligence and skills fly off the scales, with some of that Cosmiciky Omniscience. No goddess is incomplete with out that Omniscience.

With all tha said, my character will have full control of Rogue absorbing powers. Now tell me how is at your character mind, can control your own body. Because I am damn sure, its not nearly as impressive, or as sound as my own characters unified mind. peaches

This is somewhat speculative, because she possessed the powers so briefly, but there's no reason to believe that Legion's powers/personas work any differently.

The only speculation is your claim that she needs it, as bad as Legion, when history has shown us otherwise.

Some Contentions Addressed

http://i.imgur.com/zsTEgHF.jpg

What you see before you is Tempus (Eva Bell), with no control over her abilities (first time use), effectively stopping the Avengers team in its tracks under her own own stasis field.

As a direct point of comparison, here is Legion flaunting a superior stasis field to Tempus own. And than treating her own field (based on time/space control), as a mere air bubble.

The question was raised, by Digi if Legions stasis field could hold his character. The answer is, if an inferior stasis field locked down the Avengers, with someone like Hulk and Ironman among them. Than my vastly superior field will undoubtedly seize his movements.

Also, any high meta worth their salt has enhanced reflexes. That includes Dark Angel:
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8672/nhds.jpg
Note that it says milliseconds.

Moral of the story: any speed edge he claims is not only overstated, but nonexistent.

This feat is from an alternate reality, and involves very, very different characters. Unless otherwise justified, this feat should not even be considered.

The Age of X, was a reality warp done by one of Legions persona's (Moira). She molded reality 616, and layered modified memories over the existing characters.
http://i.imgur.com/6EjHEYg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lgbGDQD.jpg

Tenbu Horin - Fourth Seal - Ultimo Shut Down!
One of the silliest acts of bravado, is bringing in a Mecha like unit, against someone that wields the power of both Magneto, and Polaris. The Master, and Mistress of Magnetism. Nothing was done to change the composition of his body, to keep my EM powers from effecting him. Its a glaring weakness for someone like Ultimo to rush into battle, when its within my ability to drop EMP Nukes, or make twisty sticks out of him.

However! the abilities of Magneto, and Polaris are not the only ones I can call forth, using its powers are one of the many options at my disposal. I also happen to hold the abilities of Madison Jeffrey, and as such its within my capacity to merely shut them down by thought alone.

In this 4th step, Ultimo will be shut down. Let it by my Electromagnetism or Technopathic command.

4th Monkey Wrench
Ultimo considerably relative size, and strength, are considerably irrelevant. I am cloaked in zero-tau nullskin. Incoming attacks will be deflected, according to the law of the conversation of energy, kinetic energy is redirected. 131fist

Digi Post #5

Id, well debated. Bentley, judges, thanks in advance. Let's get to it.

By this point in the match, quite a lot has already been determined. Id has done a lot of shifting the debate toward proving that his amalgam works in ways that he has prepared to prove (and ignoring some others). But instead of continuing that train of thought - though I may divert to it on occasion - I want to refocus on my own strategy and strengths.

Validity

One thing I did enjoy about Id wanting to focus so much on himself is that he's not shown any concrete evidence against my strategies (nor will he, I imagine...they're fairly well-documented).

So let's take a look at my main strats:

1. Absorbing and redirecting? Check.
This one is really at the core of things. It's why the more powerful Id is, the more I get to throw back at him. It's the Catch-22 of the match. See, the mesh I created has so much absorption potential, I struggle just to put it into words. And I can channel all of that back at him.

Heck, I can pull the power directly out of him if needed:
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/856/hrqx.jpg
And let's not forget that Havok can absorb energy from others as well:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6079/7xkb.jpg

And Legion has a LOT of energy for me to use:
http://imageshack.us/a/img19/670/knkp.jpg
or
http://imageshack.us/a/img819/4584/n1kn.jpg

And this is in addition to my base level energy stores, which are already herald-busting thanks to the Havok amp (which is also a full "check" with no evidence against it, btw).

2. Overloading him via the Fabric? Check.
With everything going on in the match, and all of the personas Id is attempting to juggle, and knowing that Rogue's inherent use of her absorption powers isn't granted to Id via tourney rules, to believe he can stop this is sheer folly.

As with most of these tactics, they could kill him, but they don't need to. If I can just stun him with this, disorient him, that's all the advantage I need.

3. Ripping at his personas via exorcism? Check.
The beauty of this one might have been lost in some of the debate we had. Id's claiming a unified Legion for the first time this tourney. Judges can determine the validity of that based on what's been presented, but that debate has obscured something important: the viability of my exorcism rip isn't dependent at all on the state of Id's mind.

Calling his persona shenanigans into question was an unrelated rebuttal, one aimed at the pathetic feat from Qubit and relative volatility of Rogue's mind and Legion's personas (or templates). But either way, I can tear at him and unhinge the already-precarious Rogue with my exorcising. Mind you, this is probably once he's already stunned, but will be used at any point that it's advantageous.

4. The other stuff? Check.
Teleportation to gain the initiative, phasing as needed, any of my main strategies at any moment, the massive Havok amp. All good to go.

Push Coming to Shove

We've seen Legion get hurt, drained, become tired easily, etc. Hell, I've pointed it out once or twice in scans that Id himself posted. He's not invulnerable. And Rogue's base stats make her quite vulnerable.

Now remember that he's trying to do a couple dozen different things all at once and maintain perfect defenses throughout the fight. What happens if he forgets for just a second?
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8297/iz2m.jpg
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1045/ggf5.jpg
...two miles away with a casual backhand.
or
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/9561/h9uf.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/7186/eo71.jpg
And that's before strength-amping with Havok:
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/1811/virg.jpg

I swat him like a fly. Ultimo eats bricks like Rogue for breakfast. And while Id needs to coordinate his powers like a damn symphony, all I need to do is get an attack in. So if all the fancy stuff I'm doing isn't enough, there's the very real chance I push his sh*t in the old-fashioned way.

The Weakest Link
Let's say you don't buy the unified Legion mind. After all, pulling all of that craziness into an untrained mind and trying to seamlessly work it into one whole...well, you've seen the scans I've posted. Good luck with that, Id.

But let's say you do buy it. It invalidates Qubit as a pick for this fight. Sure, Id hasn't been using him much, but it's still odd planning.

He's either the reason everything falls apart or he's a 3rd wheel.

Some Rebuttals

Originally posted by "Id"
Well by your own admission, I should be able to claim the feats related to Sage's power just fine.

But not Rogue's control over what she absorbs, which was my point with that line of thought. And that allows for one of my strategies to be completely effective. Points for trying to use my words against me, but don't ignore the way in which it harms you (or rather, helps me to harm you).

Originally posted by "Id"
As a direct point of comparison, here is Legion flaunting a superior stasis field to Tempus own. And than treating her own field (based on time/space control), as a mere air bubble.

Couple things. One, he was still just holding floating eyeballs with no powers that allowed them to fight out of it. Second, this actually doesn't show us anything, other than the fact that Legion is a bit arrogant. Does his lone stasis field feat actually have any feats worth mentioning? You compare it to a localized time stop, but there's no evidence to suggest he does anything comparable. You can't co-opt the feats of others.

Originally posted by "Id"
Oh hey look. Milliseconds reaction feat. Thats nice. We count on picosecond reaction time. Neat huh?
http://i.imgur.com/lZ6w6ys.jpg

Another non-feat. It's a secondary character saying picoseconds "may" count, not an actual speed feat from Legion. They may also not count, btw. But against me, they'll definitely be needed. I hope for your sake, you're everything you say and more. But this feat doesn't show it.

Originally posted by "Id"
In this 4th step, Ultimo will be shut down. Let it by my Electromagnetism or Technopathic command.

Oh, hilarious. I didn't think I'd actually get to use these feats:
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/2514/2p3i.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img543/8152/5mff.jpg
That's Ultimo no-selling an EM blast that Tony made specifically to take him out.

http://imageshack.us/a/img201/9703/kygy.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img35/8715/x9ev.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img809/515/cl05.jpg
And that's Havok countering Polaris. Or him ripping energy right out of her:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6079/7xkb.jpg

Angel has some limited magnetic control as well:
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/856/hrqx.jpg

She also has robust EM manipulation powers:
http://imageshack.us/a/img405/5217/1q3i.jpg
or
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/4773/8bu8.jpg
or
http://imageshack.us/a/img513/4967/c6rj.jpg
So hell, I might be able to shut his mind down if he's not careful. At the very least, it negates this as a form of attack for Id.

Visualization

Id's building Legion, and that's it, so it's easy to imagine. With most amalgams, this visualization is harder. Just to remind everyone of the scope and power I'm dealing with, take this:
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4589/9lf1.jpg
Or this:
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/9962/pybq.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img15/2527/fdyn.jpg
...but x100, omni-directional, and cascading from a 500-foot tall nigh-indestructible behemoth.

Or the Black Hole feat. Or the Vulcan feats.

Now add to that Dark Angel's energy, and the energy I'll be absorbing and repurposing, and I've basically created a localized sun that I can wield in any way I want. Half of Id's plans and strategies are negated by this alone, and it will allow me to kill him at any point.

Lost in the countering and attacking is just how powerful I am. Id showing his amalgam countering powers here and there that are several orders of magnitude less than what I am wielding is NOT a rebuttal. It's a joke.

Blah Blah Blah

Originally posted by "Id"
Abandon All Hope...

I see a lot of this, and it's just hype. Or overstatement, as previously elaborated on. Actually, here's what I see:
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/7258/5k92.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/3368/z2id.jpg
If you believe he has access to all of Legion - which you SHOULD doubt for reasons I've gone into at length - well, then Id has convinced you despite everything. But for me, that's just a jumping-off point. See, if Id's amalgam crashes and burns, I win anyway. But if he has his full-on world-beater, that's what I planned for. And that's why my approach to the fight negates and confounds everything he does.

Id has a series of disconcerted scans and a prayer that he'll be able to use them all optimally. He lacks a definite approach. He's a D&D character sheet, written down on paper. But he's not a combatant. My strategy is tailored perfectly for him. It can and will take him down.

Happy Holidays, good job Id, and thanks again to all who were involved in the tourney.

First all, I want thank Curry, Bently, and all the participants for all their efforts, and participation. Happy Holidays!

Another non-feat. It's a secondary character saying picoseconds "may" count, not an actual speed feat from Legion. They may also not count, btw. But against me, they'll definitely be needed. I hope for your sake, you're everything you say and more. But this feat doesn't show it.

heh. You already lost this argument to Psycho Gundam, on an earlier match, with the same character (Northstar)!

Anyways you want more? Sure I can show more. Rogue previously, mimicked Lightmaster. The same Lightmaster, whose mental patterns have been converted to pure light. His thoughts literately move at light speed.

One thing I did enjoy about Id wanting to focus so much on himself is that he's not shown any concrete evidence against my strategies (nor will he, I imagine...they're fairly well-documented).

Entering this Denial Mode, has become your calling friend.

So let's take a look at my main strats

1. Absorbing and redirecting? Check.
Digi are you aware that Rogue has mimicked Havok. Therefore Havok ability is mine to wield?

Or that I have a laundry list of superior Energy Manipulators to Havok? Magneto, Polaris, Lightmaster, Omega etc...

Not excluding the ability to atomically move energy/matter with my mind (telekinesis). Legion, Psycloke, Jean Grey, Rachel Summers, Exodus, etc.. are among the many that Rogue has mimicked.

Or Rogue can simply make use of the ability Called WET (Wireless Energy Transfer)?

You should feel ashamed to bring up such a stupid point, its something you should have dropped when I pointed out that Rogue can accesses Legion reality warping power. But if you want me to be more specific, my character commands energy, at a greater scale. Its a pissing contest, not worth competing in.

2. Overloading him via the Fabric? Check.
In no part of my strategy did I have the intention to absorb or mimic. Its not a flaw in my plan that you can take advantage off. First I would have to say somewhere in my argument, that such stratagem would be used. However I carefully avoided such plan, as luck would draw it, Curry banned me from using Rouge absorbing ability.
http://i.imgur.com/30kWucK.jpg

However even so this strategy is not possible, when she has gained control of her absorption power. I don't want to hear that nonsense that I don't have control of her powers. I clearly explained how with a unified mind Qubit gains even greater super intelligence, and virtual omniscience in this reply here:
http://i.imgur.com/PvhNKnB.jpg

3. Ripping at his personas via exorcism? Check.
What persona's? She doen't have persona's for you to rip! They are templates, and they have been merged since prep time.

Calling his persona shenanigans into question was an unrelated rebuttal, one aimed at the pathetic feat from Qubit

We've seen Legion get hurt, drained, become tired easily, etc. Hell, I've pointed it out once or twice in scans that Id himself posted. He's not invulnerable. And Rogue's base stats make her quite vulnerable.

Couple things. One, he was still just holding floating eyeballs with no powers that allowed them to fight out of it. Second, this actually doesn't show us anything, other than the fact that Legion is a bit arrogant. Does his lone stasis field feat actually have any feats worth mentioning? You compare it to a localized time stop, but there's no evidence to suggest he does anything comparable. You can't co-opt the feats of others.

Anyways Legion can lock down your movements like he did here with the X-Men:
http://i.imgur.com/stsFYt7.jpg

Or like Tempus, locally stop time across the city:
http://i.imgur.com/PiezaIQ.jpg

So hell, I might be able to shut his mind down if he's not careful. At the very least, it negates this as a form of attack for Id.

By this point in the match, quite a lot has already been determined. Id has done a lot of shifting the debate toward proving that his amalgam works in ways that he has prepared to prove (and ignoring some others)

Now the Truth. Your character is more complex than my own. My prep was not nearly as involved. There has to be a leap of faith, to justify that you character is as powerful as you claim he is, with all the added components. We have never seen anything of what you claim on paper, or in the comic. Your selling your imagination, your fantasy of Oregon Pioneer.

Now look at things objectively, The Honey Badger exists.

It is shown here. It is stated she is accesses all of Legions powers, without any sense of risk, despite your foreshadowing.

Do you begin to see the difference? All my planning was to recreate that scene using canonical feats. The following where clearly pointed out in prep:

Jumpstart - It reactivates the templates.

Mind Unification - It merges all templates/personas into a single mind.

Those the two abilities, are the main pillars to support, and justify how I recreated Rogue accesses those powers. The problem is, you invested so much in Qubit, and his mental prison, in efforts to infect a false sense a doubt.

It was a poor investment. His mental compartmentalization, to create mental prison was not used this time around. If your argument relied so much casting doubt. Than you should have argued against either "Jumpstart" or "Mental Unification" and highlighted them as your main points.

But since they where left untouched, and stand uncontested. Than one can only assume that my character will maximize Rogue potential, and attain off the scales abilities as the Official Hand Book points out.

Strength, Speed, Durability, Intelligence, Fighting Skills, Energy Projection...all of it would be off the scales. You cant possibly compete with that. Dont feel bad. This tournament was not prepared to handle my Goddess. Therefore this tournament did not create a proper opponent for her.

Monkey Wrenches

As I walk into the battle field, the following are rendered useless.
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[*]Mental Exorcism is denied. With a unified mind, there are no personas for you to exorcise.
[*]Your Redirect. Pain/Empathetic attacks are rebounded by pain transfer, and emotion manipulation of my own. No Redirect for you.
[*]Havoks plasma. My innate ability to negate heat, makes me immune to Havoks plasma.
[*] I am cloaked in zero-tau nullskin. Incoming attacks will be deflected, according to the law of the conversation of energy, kinetic energy is redirected. Ultimo considerably relative size, and strength, are considerably irrelevant.
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Tenbu Horin - The Disarming of Oregon Pioneer
With my superior reaction time, I gain the initiative, and proceed to do the following.
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[*] Your are movements are sealed due to my stasis field.
[*]Dark Angles powers where sealed. I did away with the external universe.
[*]Havoks powers where sealed. I hold the ability to cut off mutant abilities.
[*]Ultimo a machine in nature, and with Madison Jeffrey technopathy, with a thought, are shut down.
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You now nothing but an empty husk, a shell of what was formerly glorious engine of destruction. Than its only proper for The Honey Badger, to show proper respect. And unleash the unmatched forces that decimated a clan of Elder Gods.

Oregon Pioneer!.......NO! Digi! Vaya con Dios!
http://i.imgur.com/DGFnB3v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UJVlXez.jpg

But not before I collect your ear!peaches
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Have we seriously not had a ruling on this yet???

I know tourneys can be slow (they are all over) but I've played like 17 on various sites since this final started.

Originally posted by beatboks
Have we seriously not had a ruling on this yet???

I know tourneys can be slow (they are all over) but I've played like 17 on various sites since this final started.

There's a difference between slow and forgotten. Host dropped out, judges have flaked, etc. Eventually you just take it behind the barn and shoot it.

I sent mine in... 🙁

Well you're the only one who did. I've relaunched my requests in the last couple of weeks to no effect.

Originally posted by beatboks
Have we seriously not had a ruling on this yet???

I know tourneys can be slow (they are all over) but I've played like 17 on various sites since this final started.

Smh...

One vote to rule all votes

We already bumped the minimum needed down to three (from 5 originally). I'm not willing to have 1 vote decide it, much as I respect Pr. It just doesn't meet any reasonable level of judge diversification to feel like we actually chose a winner. Hopefully Bentley finds some takers soon.