Which DB/DBZ/DBGT characters can solo the Narutoverse and which can't?
This is a reprise of an ancient '09 thread I did. But a lot has been revealed in Naruto since then.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Movies included. Pretty easy question really. The posters can set-up various scenarios as they like, as a sizable portion of potential matches can depend greatly on the situation and circumstances.Which ones can do it in 10 different scenarios?
Originally posted by Ferret Fiend
Raditz is the most likely weakest character that can solo he dodged piccolos blast that destroyed the moon in seconds and though this is after his death piccolo had not started training yet and he also blew up mountains with a causal blast.
Naruto has multiple characters who can blow up mountains. That's no long enough.
Originally posted by Q99
Naruto has multiple characters who can blow up mountains. That's no long enough.
Yeah, we have has several big boomers happen in the last few arcs in Naruto... I think the idea of anything Piccolo Daimo or above is no longer valid. Things like Dust Release, perfect Susanoo and the more powerful Bijuu bombs hadn't occurred back in '09.
Shit, does this bump up to Nappa levels now? Higher?
Roshi blew up the moon, guys. That was waaaaay back in original Dragon Ball.. Goku was almost at his weakest point since Roshi began training him.
Original Piccolo (Before Goku killed him) was able to wipe out countries pretty casually. There were 14 in total, I believe, and he chose to wipe out one a year, to mess with people, but he probably could have wipe them all off the map in a single day if he wanted to.. (He didn't put much effort behind his nuke level ki ball, and didn't seem particularly weakened.)
Originally posted by cdtm
Roshi blew up the moon, guys. That was waaaaay back in original Dragon Ball.. Goku was almost at his weakest point since Roshi began training him.Original Piccolo (Before Goku killed him) was able to wipe out countries pretty casually. There were 14 in total, I believe, and he chose to wipe out one a year, to mess with people, but he probably could have wipe them all off the map in a single day if he wanted to.. (He didn't put much effort behind his nuke level ki ball, and didn't seem particularly weakened.)
There were 50-some districts, not countries. The one he did destroy was a city.
Also? He was tired out after doing some city-busting attacks (not his first one, but doing another during the Goku fight). So yea, he's got limits.
The moon thing is drastically out-of-scale with everything else in DB unless the thing's incredibly fragile. The consistently shown destructive power of every other destruction feat in those timeframes is far far less.
Originally posted by Q99
There were 50-some districts, not countries. The one he did destroy was a city.Also? He was tired out after doing some city-busting attacks (not his first one, but doing another during the Goku fight). So yea, he's got limits.
The moon thing is drastically out-of-scale with everything else in DB unless the thing's incredibly fragile. The consistently shown destructive power of every other destruction feat in those timeframes is far far less.
Yes, I agree. Unless the moon was made out of literal swiss cheese, the moon pop was by far the largest scale destructive attack in all Dragonball. And yet, I am not sure we can discount it as an outlier either... Within a single Saga, Z eclipsed this, and then some.
That said, I am still not sure if Nappa could solo Narutoverse anymore. He does have several advantages going for him in that he can fly, is far faster ordinarily compared to anyone in Narutoverse, and has at least standard Bijuu Ball level destructive attacks. However, he is still less destructive per blast than Perfect Susanoo, and any high end Bijuu Ball, either by Juubi or by Kurama with full partnership.
Also, Nappa isn't exactly smart, he can still fall prey to smarter tactics and Genjutsu.
You would need Ginyu Force power levels in order to make the power of the character eclipse the sheer stupidity of the character, there does come a point where one is so massively powered, strong, fast and capable of much larger than citybusting attacks that there is simply nothing anyone in Narutoverse can do individually or collectively. And I think Recoome is the point where there is no ifs and or buts about who could solo, even though Recoome is as dumb as a bag of hammers and thrice as dull.
Originally posted by Q99
There were 50-some districts, not countries. The one he did destroy was a city.Also? He was tired out after doing some city-busting attacks (not his first one, but doing another during the Goku fight). So yea, he's got limits.
The moon thing is drastically out-of-scale with everything else in DB unless the thing's incredibly fragile. The consistently shown destructive power of every other destruction feat in those timeframes is far far less.
Some of Z's strongest attacks have low collateral damage, though. Nappa puts almost no effort at all into his Finger Lift of Doom takes out around three cities, while Majin Vegeta's suicide attack covers relatively less of an area?
We can only speculate why this is, but maybe collateral damage is a poor indication of how much sheer power is in a given attack? Say, if he wants to nuke a city of normal humans, he can do so all day without effort, but if he wants to take out someone like Goku, he'd need to pack much more energy into his attack? (In other words, it takes less concentrated ki to nuke an area then it does to penetrate the defenses of a high level fighter?)
Originally posted by cdtm
Some of Z's strongest attacks have low collateral damage, though. Nappa puts almost no effort at all into his Finger Lift of Doom takes out around three cities, while Majin Vegeta's suicide attack covers relatively less of an area?We can only speculate why this is, but maybe collateral damage is a poor indication of how much sheer power is in a given attack? Say, if he wants to nuke a city of normal humans, he can do so all day without effort, but if he wants to take out someone like Goku, he'd need to pack much more energy into his attack? (In other words, it takes less concentrated ki to nuke an area then it does to penetrate the defenses of a high level fighter?)
I guess then the only way to measure the effectiveness of an attack is not by sheer blast radius, but by what it actually destroys, or fails to destroy.
I think Dragon Ball is just extremely inconsistent because Toriyama initially meant for it to end with the Frieza saga. And up until that point things (mostly) make sense. But it's arguable, based on feats, some characters actually became weaker later on because of how weird the powercurve seems to be. Piccolo for example never surpasses blowing up the moon. It's his best feat by such a wide margin it's insane. shrug
Originally posted by ScreamPasteSame goes for Roshi moon busting in his base form when he needed his max form to put out the mountain fire, admitting to overdoing it when he blows it up.
I think Dragon Ball is just extremely inconsistent because Toriyama initially meant for it to end with the Frieza saga. And up until that point things (mostly) make sense. But it's arguable, based on feats, some characters actually became weaker later on because of how weird the powercurve seems to be. Piccolo for example never surpasses blowing up the moon. It's his best feat by such a wide margin it's insane. shrug