The sword wielding mage main character from the Manga/Anime Slayers.
Overall she's a low superhuman with a couple of really strong spells, ranges up to City level.
Its only the Giga Slave spell, which channels power from Lord of Nightmares (check the Tier list, she'll be at the top), that could possibly allow her to defeat stronger opponents, as slipping up with the spell could accidentally destroy the universe.
The chances of her being able chant, launch the spell and strike Bills would only be through some CIS, like Bills purposely taking the hit to prove he can. Otherwise he'll win.
Originally posted by BloodRain
as slipping up with the spell could accidentally destroy the universe.
Bills would win.
Originally posted by BloodRain
So.. slipping up with the spell would destroy the universe?Seeing as you're on this, how strong is this spell? Ballpark it if you will.
Think of it like her own personal Ultimate Nullifier spell, except focused on a single being, and you wouldn't be too far off.
It's the spell she uses against cosmic beings that can't be defeated in any other way, and channels the Lord of Nightmares (Slayers version of The Presence or One Above All, essentially. Multiverse creator and such) directly..
Originally posted by BloodRain
The sword wielding mage main character from the Manga/Anime Slayers.Overall she's a low superhuman with a couple of really strong spells, ranges up to City level.
Its only the Giga Slave spell, which channels power from Lord of Nightmares (check the Tier list, she'll be at the top), that could possibly allow her to defeat stronger opponents, as slipping up with the spell could accidentally destroy the universe.
The chances of her being able chant, launch the spell and strike Bills would only be through some CIS, like Bills purposely taking the hit to prove he can. Otherwise he'll win.
Isn't she protected by some sort of magic aura that goes up as she chants, though?
Yes, there is a magic aura. Which is why her own dragonslaves don't hurt her even when fired point-blank.
It has it's limits, Hellmaster Phibrizzo was able to pierce it when she was casting Gigaslave.
Notably, this just caused the Lord of Nightmares to complete the spell, ride Lina, and flat-out obliterate the hellmaster.
Originally posted by BloodRain
So.. slipping up with the spell would destroy the universe?Seeing as you're on this, how strong is this spell? Ballpark it if you will.
As strong as it needs to be, pretty much.
It's technically almost a summoning spell, summoning a bit of the Lord of Nightmares to do the job. One of the times Lina cast it, the LoN basically took over and used Lina as a host. Other times it looks more conventional, but that's only when done incomplete, at which point it's more like a blasty spell that uses pure destructive chaos instead of energy- The amount determined by the caster's magic capacity, but with the potential to just up and spread destroying everything.
The Lord of Nightmares is an infinite sea of chaos who's created many universes, btw.
I love Lina but the fact her stats are only basic superhuman are her downfall here. Giga Slave and possibly Ragna Blade would kill Bills but considering the nature of DBZ characters, he just has to point and shoot a well charged ki blast to destroy Lina since she won't be able to escape the AOE of it.
It's kind of odd how the top tiers in Slayers and Tenchi Muyo! consist of both nigh omnipotent and full omnipotent beings while their main casts tend to be low to mid superhuman characters. That's partly why DBZ fanboys tend to downplay both series in overall power since they don't have constant over the top action like DBZ has.
Originally posted by cdtm
Think of it like her own personal Ultimate Nullifier spell, except focused on a single being, and you wouldn't be too far off.
Originally posted by cdtm
the Lord of Nightmares (Slayers version of The Presence or One Above All, essentially.
Originally posted by cdtm
Multiverse creator and such) directly..
Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't she protected by some sort of magic aura that goes up as she chants, though?
Originally posted by Q99
As strong as it needs to be, pretty much.
Originally posted by Q99
Other times it looks more conventional, but that's only when done incomplete, at which point it's more like a blasty spell that uses pure destructive chaos instead of energy- The amount determined by the caster's magic capacity, but with the potential to just up and spread destroying everything.
Originally posted by Esomark
I love Lina but the fact her stats are only basic superhuman are her downfall here.
Originally posted by Esomark
Giga Slave and possibly Ragna Blade would kill Bills but considering the nature of DBZ characters,
Originally posted by Astner
I don't think it's reasonable to assume that either could kill Bills since you could make the exact same arguments for the Dragon Slave killing Bills as you could for Giga Slave.
So you don't think Giga Slave could kill Bills?
Do you think Bills is more powerful then Lord of Nightmares?
Originally posted by cdtm
So you don't think Giga Slave could kill Bills?
Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think Bills is more powerful then Lord of Nightmares?
She created four universes, indirectly, and her primary desire is to destroy those universes.
She's infinite, there's four that we know of, they're made from her body, she set up the god/demon conflict in each, and the statement that she primarily wanted to destroy them is contradicted by her actions in both novel and anime (At the end of Try, for example, she could've easily wiped the universe).
The Giga Slave is only more effective than Dragon Slave when used on a Mazoku. So if you'd argue that the Giga Slave would kill Bills then you'd have to argue that the Dragon Slave would as well, which in my opinion would be ridiculous.
What? No. There's plenty of things a Dragon Slave won't kill, and nothing in Slayers that a Giga Slave won't (save for the LoN).
Phibrizzo easily tanked one Dragon Slave, and even managed to escape a second. Gigaslave erased him.
Ragna Blade is stronger than Dragon Slave (but weaker than Gigaslave) and Gaav managed to survive that, and he's weaker than Phibrizzo.
Dragon Slave is just drawing off of Ruby Eyes, and it's strength is somewhat based on the bucket capacity (amount of magic usable at one time) of the firer, and is basically just a big explosion with an astral component that's basically a copy version of what Shabranigdu can do.
Gigaslave's demonstrated power is far greater.
The anime isn't canon.
It's not like Dragonball- the creator is involved in the animes, approving and working on episodes, and has even done canon anime only series (Lost Universe), and has said stuff from anime-only Slayers stuff like the Naga movies are canon (Naga is Amelia's sister, revealed only by the series' creator).
So in Slayer's case, the anime is used as canon, since the anime's so much more popular, and goes on longer, people actually often consider it *primary* canon over the novels, in both the US and Japan.
Originally posted by Q99
She's infinite, there's four that we know of, they're made from her body, she set up the god/demon conflict in each, and the statement that she primarily wanted to destroy them is contradicted by her actions in both novel and anime (At the end of Try, for example, she could've easily wiped the universe).What? No. There's plenty of things a Dragon Slave won't kill, and nothing in Slayers that a Giga Slave won't (save for the LoN).
Phibrizzo easily tanked one Dragon Slave, and even managed to escape a second. Gigaslave erased him.
Ragna Blade is stronger than Dragon Slave (but weaker than Gigaslave) and Gaav managed to survive that, and he's weaker than Phibrizzo.
Dragon Slave is just drawing off of Ruby Eyes, and it's strength is somewhat based on the bucket capacity (amount of magic usable at one time) of the firer, and is basically just a big explosion with an astral component that's basically a copy version of what Shabranigdu can do.
Gigaslave's demonstrated power is far greater.
It's not like Dragonball- the creator is involved in the animes, approving and working on episodes, and has even done canon anime only series (Lost Universe), and has said stuff from anime-only Slayers stuff like the Naga movies are canon (Naga is Amelia's sister, revealed only by the series' creator).
So in Slayer's case, the anime is used as canon, since the anime's so much more popular, and goes on longer, people actually often consider it *primary* canon over the novels, in both the US and Japan.
Off topic: If you've read the novels, have you seen the fan translation projects of the second half of the series?
http://ceiphiedknightandbanditsplight.wordpress.com/novels/book10/
Picks up books 10-15. Says it's a "light" novel translation, though.
Originally posted by Q99
there's four that we know of,
Originally posted by Q99
and the statement that she primarily wanted to destroy them is contradicted by her actions in both novel and anime
Originally posted by Q99
What? No. There's plenty of things a Dragon Slave won't kill, and nothing in Slayers that a Giga Slave won't (save for the LoN).
Originally posted by Q99
Phibrizzo easily tanked one Dragon Slave, and even managed to escape a second. Gigaslave erased him.
Originally posted by Q99
Ragna Blade is stronger than Dragon Slave (but weaker than Gigaslave) and Gaav managed to survive that, and he's weaker than Phibrizzo.
And no, the Ragna Blade is only more effective than the Dragon Slave on Mazoku.
Originally posted by Q99
Dragon Slave is just drawing off of Ruby Eyes, and it's strength is somewhat based on the bucket capacity (amount of magic usable at one time) of the firer, and is basically just a big explosion with an astral component that's basically a copy version of what Shabranigdu can do.Gigaslave's demonstrated power is far greater.
Originally posted by Q99
It's not like Dragonball- the creator is involved in the animes, approving and working on episodes, and has even done canon anime only series (Lost Universe),
Originally posted by Q99
and has said stuff from anime-only Slayers stuff like the Naga movies are canon (Naga is Amelia's sister, revealed only by the series' creator).
Originally posted by Q99
So in Slayer's case, the anime is used as canon, since the anime's so much more popular, and goes on longer, people actually often consider it *primary* canon over the novels, in both the US and Japan.
The novels are contradicted by the anime adaption on a number of accounts in NEXT.
No it's not. The Lord of Nightmares lost control of Lina after she killed Phibrizzo in the Astral Realm.
She specifically stepped down after seeing Gourry's devotion in *both* versions.
The creator was quite likely to be joking when he said that- Here, read the interview transcript for context.
Like I said, both anime and manga versions have her acting in a way that suggests it's not a primary motive.
Phibrizzo wasn't killed by the Giga Slave.
Yes he was, LoN-via-Gigaslave obliterated him.
Because Gaav and Phibrizzo are Mazoku.
It's not described as being limited to Mazoku in any sense. Rather, as it's chaos magic, ragna blade is supposed to work on everything (at least, given sufficient power).
Lina specifically searched for it because she wanted a power greater than that of the Dragon Slave, by searching for a spell from a lord greater than Ruby Eyes, to deal with her powerful enemies. It was never mentioned or implied to be a kryptonite type situation.
Out of the myraid of examples; Akira Toriyama designed Broly, but no one would argue that Broly is a canon Dragon Ball character.
That's just character design. We're talking he had direct episode approval, and he's revealed behind-the-scenes story stuff on anime material.
If Akira Toriyama gave interviews on who the strongest characters in his DB universe are and he specifically included Broly and such, then that'd count. But he's never done so, so it's not.
On the flip side, Akira Toriyama did work on Battle of the Gods, so it's canon.
No. You don't get to decide what's canon.The novels are contradicted by the anime adaption on a number of accounts in NEXT.
You don't get to decide what's canon- the creator does.
Hajime Kanzaka literally approved story scenarios and advised writers and directors on series canon for the show.