Originally posted by Nephthys
Before the mission you can ask Satele to join you in fighting Vitiate and she says that anyone other that the HoT would get pwned by his telepathic domination.No, the answer is cuz he was dead. 😉
That's an opinion, it's not canonically a fact, it's 50/50 for people on what happened to Revan. I personally think he used the Fold Space technique 😛
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hmm, I don't think this is true. According to this:"For centuries, the Emperor's Voice has delivered the Sith leader's commandments to his servants. In fact, to converse with the Emperor's Voice is to have an audience with the Emperor himself, whose power and consciousness have been placed within the Voice's body."
And SWTORE says the same thing. So by all rights, Vitiates power is held within his Voice when he is occupying it. He isn't splitting it between the two bodies.
And why couldn't it have been a portion of his power? That quote certainly does not claim that his full power is interred within the Voice meaning it is quite possible that Vitiate is splitting his power between the two.
Not sure why you didn't just use the SWTORE quote there which does make it seem like the Voice wields the full power. Of course, it is from an in-universe and thus fallible source.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh, this is the only accurate one you named. However, many of the Children were killed in the Consular storyline, including the First Son and they were thus revealed to the Republic, which likely lead to more of them being killed.Also it only says that they 'share' a portion of his power, so its entirely possible that they are merely drawing on his power like the Imperial Guard does when near him. Also since the connection between he and them is always open I don't see why he couldn't draw on their power should he need to.
The codex also states "the children are infused with the Emperor’s strength" which seems to pretty clearly state that a portion of his power is bestowed upon them. And there is, to my knowledge, absolutely no evidence that suggests that Emperor draws upon his Children's power at all.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Exactly my point, if Vitiate was so weak (According to the dullard's posting) then how come Revan couldn't take him? Revan's power increased within the 300 year gap between "Revan" and "SW:TOR" and according to everyone, Vitiate was weakened immensely, so why couldn't Revan take him? And my answer to that is... Because he wasn't strong enough, he was too weak to defeat Vitiate on his own, something HoT had no trouble doing.
Uh, Revan wasn't around at the time and was possibly dead...
Originally posted by ares834
And why couldn't it have been a portion of his power? That quote certainly does not claim that his full power is interred within the Voice meaning it is quite possible that Vitiate is splitting his power between the two.
It doesn't say 'a portion', it says 'his power' and in SWTORE 'the Voice also wields the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down anyone who displeases him.' I see no reason to think it isn't his full power.
Beefy and Tempest (iirc) argued this quite thoroughly. I agree with the latter; its his power that's mentioned only, not a portion.
Originally posted by ares834
Not sure why you didn't just use the SWTORE quote there which does make it seem like the Voice wields the full power. Of course, it is from an in-universe and thus fallible source.
I didn't want to type it out. 🙁
Originally posted by ares834
The codex also states "the children are infused with the Emperor’s strength" which seems to pretty clearly state that a portion of his power is bestowed upon them. And there is, to my knowledge, absolutely no evidence that suggests that Emperor draws upon his Children's power at all.
Actually the full quote says 'Infants of all species taken before the Sith Emperor, the children are infused with the Emperor's strength, sharing some measure of his thoughts and power for the rest of their lives.' It does say they were infused with his strength, but in the same line it elaborates that they are 'sharing' a portion of his power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't want to type it out. 🙁
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually the full quote says 'Infants of all species taken before the Sith Emperor, the children are infused with the Emperor's strength, sharing some measure of his thoughts and power for the rest of their lives.' It does say they were infused with his strength, but in the same line it elaborates that they are 'sharing' a portion of his power.
Sure, which still seems like a concrete way of saying he is giving them some of his power. The word "sharing" does not contradict the word "infused" in any way and just accents it. Basically he infuses (gives) them some of his power thus they are "sharing" it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And likewise the word 'infused' doesn't contradict 'sharing' the power. Thus why I only said it was "entirely possible" and "nebulous and arguable." 😉
There is almost nothing arguable about it. If he is infusing them with his own power he is putting his power in them. They aren't drawing it off of him like the guards as he is literally filling them up with his own power.
Originally posted by ares834Then why not instead of going to the foundry did he just help Scourge and HoT, on top of Kira Carsen and T7 along with them??? While they fought the Imperial Guards as a team, Revan could've fought Vitiate and won by that point if he was as weak as everyone made him out to be during the SWTOR Era. And if he couldn't, then by Dolos logic, neither could HoT, which means you would be arguing that HoT couldn't defeat Vitiate either, which he did. HoT is stronger then Revan.
Uh, Revan wasn't around at the time and was possibly dead...
Originally posted by ares834
There is almost nothing arguable about it. If he is infusing them with his own power he is putting his power in them. They aren't drawing it off of him like the guards as he is literally filling them up with his own power.
I'm not seeing how that contradicts 'sharing' the power with them either.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Then why not instead of going to the foundry did he just help Scourge and HoT, on top of Kira Carsen and T7 along with them??? While they fought the Imperial Guards as a team, Revan could've fought Vitiate and won by that point if he was as weak as everyone made him out to be during the SWTOR Era. And if he couldn't, then by Dolos logic, neither could HoT, which means you would be arguing that HoT couldn't defeat Vitiate either, which he did. HoT is stronger then Revan.
Your "logic" is incredibly flawed. After all, Revan wanted to destroy the Empire not merely kill the Emperor. Plus there are many other circumstances involved.