Originally posted by Dampyre
Aside from the jobfest Blood and Thunder arc the Surfer has never lost to Thor in battle that I'm aware of. It's funny how folks use that one arc to define the whole history between these two. That was an over-the-top portrayal of Thor.
So Surfer's history with Thor can be summarized as him: Getting beat the f*ck up more then once against an enraged Thor, holding his own against a regular Thor to some extent, and another occasion admitting complete inferiority. Seems very much like Loki, doesn't it?
Like I said, if you want to describe Loki's relationship with Thor as you did, that's fine, but the same is completely true for Thor's relationship with Surfer.
Originally posted by Dampyre
Firelord has done quite well against Thor and against Thor and Hercules together. Loki just gets raped and there's nothing exotic about the beatings, just hammer and fist.
Firelord blasted Hercules/Thor standing side by side once and did nothing. 😬
And yes, Firelord has held his own against Thor pretty well but so what? So has Loki. Like I said, if Firelord pushed Thor to the lengths that Loki has, Thor would absolutely wreck him. He'd beat him into a fine paste. It would be like Bill vs. Stardust, except even more one-sided with a lot more body parts flying around.
Fyi, in close combat, in such a state, Thor would tear Surfer a new one as well. As we've seen.
And Mjolnir in itself is an exotic weapon. For example: Balder cut off Loki's head and it did absolutely nothing. Thor broke Loki's arm with Mjolnir and it's a wound that would be forced to heal naturally.