RotS Sidious and Yoda vs strike-team

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Is that from the novel or a fanfic? It reads like the latter, and I forget how stupidly out of touch the novel was with the film. Kit Fisto on mah desk indeed.

I assumed that people got the concept of "Zonakin" from the novel. Like I said, I never read the novel, but that scene seems to go with what happened in the movie. Here's a refresher of the movie:

*Dooku force owns Kenobi.*
*Anakin gets mad and kicks Dooku off the thing.*
*Dooku goads Anakin.*
Dooku: "You have hate; you have anger, but you don't use them."
*Anakin looks pissed off.*
*Anakin defeats Dooku.*

So at least to me, both the novel and the movie make it look like Anakin was just tapping into the dark side and not his full potential.

This is, to the best of my knowledge, Anakin's and Dooku's penultimate encounter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ycYOpltqM

Dooku seems to be holding back for parts of the fight, but Anakin does seem to match him here and there. At certain points, he even overpowers him. So perhaps Dooku wasn't as far ahead of plain Anakin as people would like to believe.

So my question is: Where did the idea of "Zonakin = Full Potential Anakin" come from, and what proof supports that idea?

Since when was Zonakin on par with Yoda?

Originally posted by red8
I assumed that people got the concept of "Zonakin" from the novel. Like I said, I never read the novel, but that scene seems to go with what happened in the movie. Here's a refresher of the movie:

So at least to me, both the novel and the movie make it look like Anakin was just tapping into the dark side and not his full potential.

This is, to the best of my knowledge, Anakin's and Dooku's penultimate encounter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ycYOpltqM

Dooku seems to be holding back for parts of the fight, but Anakin does seem to match him here and there. At certain points, he even overpowers him. So perhaps Dooku wasn't as far ahead of plain Anakin as people would like to believe.

So my question is: Where did the idea of "Zonakin = Full Potential Anakin" come from, and what proof supports that idea?

It was always my opinion that Anakin was merely tapping the dark side too.

He tapped the dark sides sweet, sweet ass during his fight with Kenobi too, but wasn't near as powerful that time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He tapped the dark sides sweet, sweet ass during his fight with Kenobi too, but wasn't near as powerful that time.

The Dark Side has a refractory period.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Dooku on his own is a threat to Yoda and Sids although they would likely beat him eventually.

No, Dooku is not. He really didn't have much of a chance of defeating Yoda whose light side powers were diminished on the dark side nexus of Vjun, and who was struggling to fight off the temptation of the dark side (not the best state of mind while trying to focus on defeating your opponent), while Dooku was taking full advantage of the amp the dark side nexus gave him. Basically: Dooku, at his best, was forced to flee from Yoda, who was perhaps at his worst. Their fight on Geonosis had Yoda holding back and not attacking Dooku with the force at all other than a redirected lightning attack in which Dooku was capable of deflecting. So I don't assume Yoda was trying his hardest to take Dooku out in a saber duel either considering how he held back immensely in their force duel. Not to mention Yoda expresses that he had love for Dooku in DR. So, no, Dooku is no threat to Yoda or Sidious, and they both can defeat Dooku in a very decisive manner, which is why he was hesitant in overthrowing Sidious with the help of Ventress.

And if you don't agree with that assessment, you only need to compare Dooku's performance against Ventress and Savage to Sidious performance against Maul (who is considerably more powerful than Ventress) and Savage (who was more trained and more powerful than when he faced Dooku). The former struggled and fought for his life against his duo, while the latter was casually playing and not giving it his all with his duo (Sidious wasn't even trying to kill Maul, at that). Furthermore, Sidious proved that he can easily over power Maul and Savage at the same time with the force alone, without even having to resort to using his saber Sidious is above Dooku by a decent amount, as is Yoda, who is practically Sidious' equal.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Zonakin is technically Anakin tapping his potential which means he spikes higher than Yoda or Sids

No, that was Anakin tapping into his raw power that he had at the time (raw power shouldn't be confused with potential), which enhanced his physical strength, enabling him to batter down Dooku's defenses, nothing more (well, nothing more that can be proven anyway). His defeating of Dooku has no bearing on how he'd do against Yoda and Sidious, considering that they both are physically superior to Dooku in every way. Just like Savage's disarming and flooring of Dooku had no bearing on how he did against Sidious, who was not only able to handle Savage's strength with one arm, but was capable of overpowering the zabrak with his own physical strength, being able to send Savage him flying with a kick.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He tapped the dark sides sweet, sweet ass during his fight with Kenobi too, but wasn't near as powerful that time.

That could be to do with his rage getting the better of him against Kenobi, whilst against Dooku he seemed to be the one controlling his rage for his beneift (i.e. Pristine Clarity).

The better proof of a "ZonAkin" existing would be his overpowering of the Son and Daughter Imo.

Originally posted by Based
Since when was Zonakin on par with Yoda?

Possibly superior to Yoda after we saw him overpower the Son and Daughter.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Possibly superior to Yoda after we saw him overpower the Son and Daughter.

Which cannot be proved that he can do this at will on anywhere outside of Mortis.

Originally posted by Based
Which cannot be proved that he can do this at will on anywhere outside of Mortis.

Well he can't do it at will hence the "Zone" status.

But I'd turn that around and say it cannot be proven that Skywalker received a greater amp on Mortis than the Son and Daughter.

When I created this topic, here are some of the assumptions I had.

1) Zonakin is defined as the Anakin we see killing Dooku.
2) Mortakin is defined as the Anakin we see overpowering the Son and Daughter.
3)
Zonakin = Anakin tapping into the dark side.
Mortakin = Anakin tapping into his full potential.
Mortakin >>>>>> Zonakin

I guess if we instead define Zonakin as Anakin tapping into his full potential, we should think about the Anakin on Mortis rather than the Anakin on the Invisible Hand.

But then we would need to find a way to differentiate the Anakin fighting Dooku and the Anakin fighting Kenobi. Maybe Sith Anakin with clarity vs Sith Anakin emotional or Sithakin vs Emokin? 😕