OK. Shaw can absorb energy but not fast enough to absorb nuclear rods to achieve his goals. And he stood there for ages.
Kurse can drain Asgardians of their lifeforce freakin fast.
Shaw is still an Earthling.
It's a blood lusted battle so they are going straight for each other.
Do the math.
If Shaw can absorb more energy from Kurse than Kurse can take from Shaw then so be it.
But WHERE IS THE PROOF?
Shaw possibly has the advantage due to absorbing energy keeps him young. Which defies Kurse's power.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
We don't know the specifics of the life drain but it's only used on mooks. Loki and Thor aren't subjected to it. Unless you believe Kurse just wants to beat them to death with his fists, it's possible they're resistant.
Loki and Thor live for hundreds of years. Earthlings don't.
But a mutant like Shaw stays young via absorbing energy.
And Shaw tanked damage like nobody else. Actually he got stronger via kinetic damage.
And moved through solid steel like it was paper.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't see how anyone can see this as an easy win for Shaw, because even if he can absorb every attack without reaching his limit; he's never shown the ability to deal enough damage to beat Kurse.
He beat his foot on the ground and incinerated a whole room of soldiers. And that was only with bullets and grenades.
With enough kinetic energy it would be a whole lot more.
Originally posted by KingD19
There's also the fact that Kurse's life drain seems to work exactly that way. By directly siphoning life energy from his target until they're a dead husk. Shaw really has no defense against that.
It will eventuate in a stalemate in which only Shaw can win.
Originally posted by the ninjak
He beat his foot on the ground and incinerated a whole room of soldiers.
With enough kinetic energy it would be a whole lot more.He bent reinforced steel like paper. With no effort. Kurse will resort to pounding into Shaw which will charge him. Kurse didn't have the smarts and foresight to simply grab Shaw and drain him.
Shaw's unique power allows him to move physical matter out of his way as long as he is conscious, which will piss him off.
Kurse will resort to punches and heavy strikes. Which will only charge Shaw.
He only blew up the room after he'd been hit with a few hundred rounds of 9mm and assault rifle ammo, as well as a rocket launcher round. And that's on top of a charge he probably had previously. This is Shaw starting with nothing in his tank.
And Kurse punched energy barriers so hard they broke. Energy barriers even Loki's magic couldn't get through. He also punched Mjolnir off it's course. Even Hulk couldn't do that. And Kurse drained plenty of people without even fighting them. He'd just grab them and suck them dry. There's a good chance he'll attempt it on Shaw, and he has no defense against that.
Originally posted by KingD19
He only blew up the room after he'd been hit with a few hundred rounds of 9mm and assault rifle ammo, as well as a rocket launcher round. And that's on top of a charge he probably had previously. This is Shaw starting with nothing in his tank.And Kurse punched energy barriers so hard they broke. Energy barriers even Loki's magic couldn't get through. He also punched Mjolnir off it's course. Even Hulk couldn't do that. And Kurse drained plenty of people without even fighting them. He'd just grab them and suck them dry. There's a good chance he'll attempt it on Shaw, and he has no defense against that.
Originally posted by Silent Master
But there is no proof that his output can get high enough to beat Kurse.
Exactly. With the amount of output Kurse puts out Shaw would be charged to hell.
You think he can grapple Shaw? He would simply swipe his hand. And the kinetic energy he absorbs from the resistance would be enough.
Eventually Kurse will resort to punching Shaw relentlessly. Even throwing shit at him. All will be absorbed.
Kurse can try and hold Shaw but he showed he can move his body through physical matter like it wasn't even there.
Kurse was a brute. Not a strategist.
Shaw's footstomp ability will enrage and blind Kurse. All the better.
If an Elf sword can pierce his armor then I can't see why Shaw simply can't bend it. Shaw was the closest thing to an Omega level mutant the films ever had.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Exactly. With the amount of output Kurse puts out Shaw would be charged to hell.
You think he can grapple Shaw? He would simply swipe his hand. And the kinetic energy he absorbs from the resistance would be enough.
Eventually Kurse will resort to punching Shaw relentlessly. Even throwing shit at him. All will be absorbed.
Kurse can try and hold Shaw but he showed he can move his body through physical matter like it wasn't even there.
Kurse was a brute. Not a strategist.
Shaw's footstomp ability will enrage and blind Kurse. All the better.If an Elf sword can pierce his armor then I can't see why Shaw simply can't bend it. Shaw was the closest thing to an Omega level mutant the films ever had.
Yea he can grapple Shaw. As the fight starts out he won't be charged. All Kurse has to do is get a good grip and the absorption process starts.
And the only time he showed he could move through matter(I'm assuming you mean the submarine scene with Magneto) was after he'd been charged by a nuclear reactor core and charged again by Magneto slamming him with bars. And that seemed to be more of him expending his energy to knock things away than just moving. Since he showed with Darwin and blowing up that room he could actually manipulate his energy for more than hitting things
Originally posted by the ninjakFixed.
And moved through solid steel [that Magneto was forcing against him with everything he had] like it was paper.
This is the same Magento who, moments prior, lifted a f*cking submarine completely out of the water and moved it to shore... Yet not even forces of that magnitude opposing Shaw were capable of giving him so much as a moment's pause. Uber as f*ck.
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Anyway, the unknown element here is Kurse's life drain thingy. He used it against no-name Asgardians who ran up and tried attacking him. However, mindlessly bum-rushing his opponents certainly didn't appear to be Shaw's M.O.-- he was much more calm/calculated then that. Regardless, there is no way to know for sure how that ability would affect Shaw IF Kurse even tried using it. /shrug
However, if Kurse were to fight Shaw even remotely close to how he fought Thor, he [Shaw] would absorb a few punches, mold the power he received from those punches into an energy ball, stuff said ball down Kurse's throat, and *KABLOOEY!* all that remains is a steaming pile of Elf parts strewn about Times Square.
IMO. 🙂
The amount of kinetic energy Shaw absorbed via the militant effort in First Class effort pales in comparison to anything Kurse would put out.
And Shaw's long lived experience (70 yrs+) with his abilities means grabbing him and simply draining him of his lifeforce is simply out of the question.
All he had to do was apply force against any oppositional force and he gains energy. You can't prove any beforehand version of himself doing otherwise. He defied physics via holding a grenade in his hands and stopping it's blast radius via containing it within his hands! and absorbing it. That feat alone was insane.
Showing that even at "apparent" low levels he could contain high outputs of kinetic energy.
You can't prove Shaw can't move his body through physical matter with no resistance even at low levels and no proof that such attempts don't charge him.
Kurse is gonna get pissed off at attempting to grapple Shaw. And as shown in Thor 2 will resort in punching and throwing crap at him.
Which will only charge Shaw up.
You can't grapple a being who can move his body anywhere he wants and can withstand any kinetic damage.
Originally posted by Galan007
Fixed.This is the same Magento who, moments prior, lifted a f*cking submarine completely out of the water and moved it to shore... Yet not even forces of that magnitude opposing Shaw were capable of giving him so much as a moment's pause. Uber as f*ck.
_______Anyway, the unknown element here is Kurse's life drain thingy. He used it against no-name Asgardians who ran up and tried attacking him. However, mindlessly bum-rushing his opponents certainly didn't appear to be Shaw's M.O.-- he was much more calm/calculated then that. Regardless, there is no way to know for sure how that ability would affect Shaw IF Kurse even tried using it. /shrug
However, if Kurse were to fight Shaw even remotely close to how he fought Thor, he [Shaw] would absorb a few punches, mold the power he received from those punches into an energy ball, stuff said ball down Kurse's throat, and then *kablooey!* all that remains is a steaming pile of Elf parts strewn about Times Square.
IMO. 🙂
Cheers.