Originally posted by quanchi112
Water tower ko'd the main of steel. Awful showing.I saw it once in the theatre which is enough. You took your family multiple times you nerd.
That was before he realized the full extent of his abilities and gained control over them. I suppose you don't remember him getting smashed through buildings and falling from the sky at high speeds.
I think this could be a good fight but it's hard to gauge because I don't know if there is real way to base the powers and strength of the Gods. From what was displayed in the movie it seems as though their strength and weapons follow the rules of the mortal world. However, their strength and speed were obviously superior to anything that was based in the mortal world, even if they were susceptible to real world physics.
Just by looking at on screen feats, Superman appears to be in another league. I know the slow motion aspects of the fights are supposed to suggest that the Gods operate on such a heightened plane of awareness but this artistic direction doesn't suggest they're faster than, Superman and they definitely don't have any onscreen feats that suggest they possess even a faction of the strength that Superman does. I'm sure the Gods are stronger and have more powers than the movie suggested. The scene where Poseidon caused the tidal wave and Zues erasing people and Gods from existence suggests this but there was no definable explanation of their powers. So all we're left with is assumptions. Superman on the other at least gave an undeniable display of what the full potential of his powers might be capable of and that display dwarfs anything we saw from the, Gods.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
That was before he realized the full extent of his abilities and gained control over them. I suppose you don't remember him getting smashed through buildings and falling from the sky at high speeds.
I agree that he was more formidable, but are you saying he became more durable? That was never even implied. The only thing he learned was to fly and became more experienced.
He might have lifted the structure at the end of the movie because imo his flight might very well be more powerful then his strength but as we saw at various points in the movie, particularly the Smallville fight, if he had something like that collapse on him again, he'd be in trouble. Even in the last fight, that girder to the face rocked him good. Throw in the boom, and yea, he'd be down. Clark however seems to be invulnerable. It's kind of weird, but I think it'd be easier to knock him out then draw blood in this movie. He was knocked out like 4 times in the movie (?) and seriously rocked at different points but not so much as a scratch. I wonder if this will change in the next movie in an attempt to humanize him more. Just hope he isn't jobbed out to Batman, but I'm not hopeful. 😬
And being tossed through walls isn't exactly on the same level. Besides, it's mostly just a different take on superhuman physics.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't recall the Gods displaying strength that makes me think they could harm Supes..?
There's Poseidon's tidal wave, but that could be just as much his actual powers as strength, or even powers completely and he just dove into the ocean to activate them.
And there's Zeus yanking down the statue, but of course he was pulling at stress points clearly made to give away(still under a lot of force, but yeah, designed to break)
And I guess the fighting against the Titans. If they're in the Gods strength/speed/durability range, then pulping their heads and decimating them like that shows some good strength.
But nothing like tossing train cars and the stuff the Krypto's pulled off.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And being tossed through walls isn't exactly on the same level. Besides, it's mostly just a different take on superhuman physics.
I don't know. I've never been tossed through a wall or have an oil rig collapse on me. Besides, it's not like the entire structure collapsed on him. It was more like half the structure and then once he hit water, much of the force of the oil rig would have been alleviated. I think, constantly getting smashed through several buildings while flying at high speeds would be much more physically demanding than surviving a few tons falling on you. I think the force required to be smashed through several walls and buildings would be greater than a few tons.
I think the fact that he became stronger or at least began to understand the limits of his powers more should be enough to imply that he could have become more durable. I don't think he became more durable though. I think the opening scene with him on the oil rig was just an inconsistency in writing or was consciously designed for dramatic effects. Either way, I think he displayed incredible feats of strength, speed and durability that dwarf what the Gods showed.
The only way I see the Gods having a chance is if their weapons are effective against, Superman and even then I think it depends on how effective they are. I'm sure their weapons have some kind of metaphysical effect in the mortal realm but without any kind of onscreen explanation its all just assumption to me.
Kal did crash through a mountain and re-entry without any damage what so ever. He also endured that gravity gun and powered through it, smashing the world engine in the process while becoming gradually weak.
I am of the opinion Kal was not KO'ed by the explosion in the beginning and he was just chillin' there contemplating his life.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxThat is incorrect. His durability never changed just his skill. Gods have the power to kill Superman. Tidal wave feat, etc. he's a dead Clark Kent.
That was before he realized the full extent of his abilities and gained control over them. I suppose you don't remember him getting smashed through buildings and falling from the sky at high speeds.I think this could be a good fight but it's hard to gauge because I don't know if there is real way to base the powers and strength of the Gods. From what was displayed in the movie it seems as though their strength and weapons follow the rules of the mortal world. However, their strength and speed were obviously superior to anything that was based in the mortal world, even if they were susceptible to real world physics.
Just by looking at on screen feats, Superman appears to be in another league. I know the slow motion aspects of the fights are supposed to suggest that the Gods operate on such a heightened plane of awareness but this artistic direction doesn't suggest they're faster than, Superman and they definitely don't have any onscreen feats that suggest they possess even a faction of the strength that Superman does. I'm sure the Gods are stronger and have more powers than the movie suggested. The scene where Poseidon caused the tidal wave and Zues erasing people and Gods from existence suggests this but there was no definable explanation of their powers. So all we're left with is assumptions. Superman on the other at least gave an undeniable display of what the full potential of his powers might be capable of and that display dwarfs anything we saw from the, Gods.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is incorrect. His durability never changed just his skill. Gods have the power to kill Superman. Tidal wave feat, etc. he's a dead Clark Kent.
So, we're having another Matrix issue here, I see. Superman wins in his world and the Gods win in their world. This is exactly what I was trying to discuss with the, Physics question.
How do we know that his durability ever changed? He still ages, just not the same as a human. Humans become more and less durable with age.
At any rate, I was just trying to contribute to the discussion. You know, instead of just saying "These guys win because I like them more". In my mind This battle never happens because no mortal should ever be able to destroy a God. If we're going from on screen feats entirely, however...,None of the characters from, Immortals have a chance against, Superman.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxWhy since the feats from the gods are superior aka tidal wave.
So, we're having another Matrix issue here, I see. Superman wins in his world and the Gods win in their world. This is exactly what I was trying to discuss with the, Physics question.How do we know that his durability ever changed? He still ages, just not the same as a human. Humans become more and less durable with age.
At any rate, I was just trying to contribute to the discussion. You know, instead of just saying "These guys win because I like them more". In my mind This battle never happens because no mortal should ever be able to destroy a God. If we're going from on screen feats entirely, however...,None of the characters from, Immortals have a chance against, Superman.