Lesbian Couples have lower performing children: worse than even single mother homes.

Originally posted by Astner
Which has nothing to do with growing up with a father- and a mother figure.

Sure it does. Your post implied that mother-father nuclear families are essential and it's so axiomatic even the ancient Greeks knew it. And while they did recognize a family structure, they also practiced sexual abuse which has damaging effects on child development. Sexually abused children struggle in schools if they are not able to cope with what's happening to them, especially when it's ignored or advocated by parents or social institutions.

As for the Spartans, due to their classification as both "ancient Greek" and "warrior culture", their men grew up separate from the women and only intermingled to procreate; otherwise, the men stayed together and formed strong emotional bonds and it is stated that they often became attracted to each other, to the point that many Spartan wives had to dress like men and have sex from behind to conceive.

So because your point implied the ancient Greeks had a handle on the evident truth, I felt the need to make sure you understood just what else the ancient Greeks did. They also practiced slavery and women had almost no rights compared to Canada, where the study took place, or obvious modern first world country parallels.

Stealth Moose affirming his stupidity by continuing pressing the appeal to emotion fallacy even after it has been exposed.

Originally posted by Astner
Stealth Moose affirming his stupidity by continuing pressing the appeal to emotion fallacy even after it has been exposed.

Again another straw-man.

Originally posted by Astner
Stealth Moose affirming his stupidity by continuing pressing the appeal to emotion fallacy even after it has been exposed.

When you can "prove" your point without attacking me personally, come back to the adults' table.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Again another straw-man.

A straw man is the refutation (or attempt thereof) of a misrepresentation of your oppositions position.

I didn't bother tackling his position because it was fallacious.

Now stop wasting my time with your ignorance.

Originally posted by Astner
No, it's not.

A straw man is the refutation (or attempt thereof) of a misrepresentation of your oppositions position.

I didn't bother tackling his position because it was fallacious.

Now stop wasting my time with your ignorance.

Your pseudo-intelligence is fascinating. Usually by 24, people have some kind of self-awareness and post-formal thinking. What cave were you raised in?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
When you can "prove" your point without attacking me personally, come back to the adults' table.

And that wasn't an ad hominem, it was an insult, learn the difference.

Originally posted by Astner
No, it's not.

A straw man is the refutation (or attempt thereof) of a misrepresentation of your oppositions position.

I didn't bother tackling his position because it was fallacious.

Now stop wasting my time with your ignorance.

Are you stating a corn farm?

Originally posted by Astner
Prove what exactly?

And that wasn't an ad hominem, it was an insult, learn the difference.

Thank you for proving my point.

Originally posted by Astner
Thank you for proving my point.

Your obtuseness is derailing the thread. Unless you have something to contribute besides hot air and a lack of education, please vacate back to your dimension where ad hominems and insults are unrelated to each other.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Your obtuseness is derailing the thread.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Unless you have something to contribute besides hot air and a lack of education,

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
please vacate back to your dimension where ad hominems and insults are unrelated to each other.

Originally posted by Astner
I have a Bachelor's in Engineering Physics and a Master's in Fundamental Physics—also known as Elementary Particle Physics—as well as an aced high school diploma. How's it looking at your end?

I HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN SOCIOLOGY, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN HISTORY, A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, AND A MASTER'S DEGREE IN COMMUNICATION

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He was the one questioning my education. I just thought I'd take his ass back down to Earth.

Originally posted by Astner
He was the one questioning my education. I just thought I'd take his ass back down to Earth.

Don't care, love video!

Originally posted by Astner
He was the one questioning my education. I just thought I'd take his ass back down to Earth.

I think you are alone in the opinion.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I think you are alone in the opinion.

Originally posted by Astner
I'll add that to my I don't give a shit-list.

Post list, plz. In order of how little shit you give.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Your obtuseness is derailing the thread.

Have at it, mang.

Also, Astner's point about stable Male-Female relationships producing excellent environments in which to raise kids should be obvious. Of course that's going to be the best case scenario. Anyone who argues against that is, as others said, obtuse.

What can be argued, for or against, is if other types of relationships can be as good or not be as good as the "gold standard."

Here is an example of "other type of relationship": lesbian couples. The study in the OP indicates that that is not as good as the "gold standard" and in some ways, is worse than just being a single-mother. There are problems with that study because it may have just shown us what we already know: broken homes produce bad children and sexuality has little to nothing to do with it. But if the findings in the study are sound, it shows us that the burden is even worse on children in "other types of relationship" homes.

What also can, and should, be argued is in how far the "gold standard", as you put it, is one that is based on society's favouring of said standard. One argument that is often raised is that children with a homosexual couple as parents could be more prone to being bullied. If that is the case that could definitely have a negative impact on the groups graduation rate. That would then not be the fault of the "unconventional" relationship's abilities to raise successful children, but rather a sign of the hardship that this heteronormative thinking puts on these families.