Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Even so, your point is retarded.Gorr beat the a Skyfather, a high herald, and a low one at the same time. Not sure how not beating multiple high heralds compares, but sure.
PS I thought OKT was depleted before that Gorr fight and his power was slowly returning.
Originally posted by zopzopThat was only shown to be used to create a Serpent. And happened like 2 issues prior to his end, which would make that the most recent anyway. Unless you're stating that the Serpent returned to Gorr afterwards, which would make it again irrelevant.
Yeah while amping off his captive god slaves.PS I thought OKT was depleted before that Gorr fight and his power was slowly returning.
Slowly returning? Where about was that stated?
Literally the first thing he did with the power had it saying it was the might of an All Father unleashed.
And he also murdered the Serpent single handily that was fueled by all those Gods Gorr had killed.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Even so, your point is retarded.Gorr beat the a Skyfather, a high herald, and a low one at the same time. Not sure how not beating multiple high heralds compares, but sure.
My point would seem "Retarded" to someone as arrogant and pompous as yourself.
Gorr was AUGMENTED throught the fight by not only the Thor's three but an entire legion of gods as well.
H'El faced all of the Super family simultaneously while all were fully powered and in their prime. He received no boost in power from them and crushed them. This places him firmly in the trans level.
Young Thor was giving Gorr fits alone causing him to dip in the well for backup.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynI don't think you should be calling anyone arrogant or pompous personally.
My point would seem "Retarded" to someone as arrogant and pompous as yourself.Gorr was AUGMENTED throught the fight by not only the Thor's three but an entire legion of gods as well.
H'El faced all of the Super family simultaneously while all were fully powered and in their prime. He received no boost in power from them and crushed them. This places him firmly in the trans level.
Young Thor was giving Gorr fits alone causing him to dip in the well for backup.
Gorr was augmented by the Thors?
Oh, you're talking about Superman 14, where he beat Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy... lol at Supergirl and Superboy being high heralds. And lol at that being at the same time. Superboy was already beaten one on one when Supergirl and Superman entered. H'el tricked Supergirl into thinking he was Superman so she wouldn't fight back, and Superman wasn't even finished. Superboy after Kara was down jumped on H'el's back but H'el already had his genetic code down. He never fought 3 at once, hell, he didn't even fight two at once.
But if you're placing him in the trans level you might want to rethink your argument when Gorr beat a Skyfather Thor...
Not any more so than Superman was giving fits to H'el, even less so in fact. But then you have Gorr outright beating all three of them at the actual same time instead of one on one.
Anyway, Gorr's amp was a permanent amp anyway if he amped at all. But yeah, he needed to amp because he took a full Skyfather attack that blasted him light years away. lol how pathetic right?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17The only thing that stops me from completely agreeing with you is the fact that the issue showcased an alternate Galactus, of whom possessed a mostly unknown/ambiguous level of power. He certainly came off as immensely powerful, what with punching OKT through the earth and into the moon and all, but nothing he did in that comic puts him remotely close to his 616 counterpart's powerlevel. That said, it's really hard to gauge the exact level of impressiveness of OKT contending with him and whatnot, imo. /shrug
Based off Old King Thor vs Galactus, I may have severely short changed the team.
Dunno, I *think* the team wins, but I think it's a marginal victory, at best.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't think you should be calling anyone arrogant or pompous personally.Gorr was augmented by the Thors?
Oh, you're talking about Superman 14, where he beat Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy... lol at Supergirl and Superboy being high heralds. And lol at that being at the same time. Superboy was already beaten one on one when Supergirl and Superman entered. H'el tricked Supergirl into thinking he was Superman so she wouldn't fight back, and Superman wasn't even finished. Superboy after Kara was down jumped on H'el's back but H'el already had his genetic code down. He never fought 3 at once, hell, he didn't even fight two at once.
But if you're placing him in the trans level you might want to rethink your argument when Gorr beat a Skyfather Thor...Not any more so than Superman was giving fits to H'el, even less so in fact. But then you have Gorr outright beating all three of them at the actual same time instead of one on one.
Anyway, Gorr's amp was a permanent amp anyway if he amped at all. But yeah, he needed to amp because he took a full Skyfather attack that blasted him light years away. lol how pathetic right?
A few things.
The nature of Gorr's power meant that everytime he impaled the Thor's he was replenished and/or augmented. That is not a luxury he will have against any of the combatants here.
The 2 lesser Thor's are slower than everyone on the team with the exception of one. Their invulnerability is superior to Young Thor and Modern Thor as well.
H'El is trans level. Period.
Ultraman is above herald at the peak of his Kryptonite high.
The remaining members of the team have enough power to diminish Gorr while not allowing him to boost off of them.
The extent of King Thor's power is dubious as well. The Thor Corps readily admit this.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, the fight in God of Thunder #21. It is the most probable future of 616 characters as far as the comic concerned, why would we treat them any differently?
Sorry but that's how the MU is supposed to work; future timelines shown in present-day storylines are What If lite alternate derivatives of 616. That's the way things used to work, that's the way things currently work, and that's the way things will continue to work for the foreseeable future.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynShow him being replenished or amped in the fight with the Thors from the Thors. Even an implication that it was happening.
A few things.The nature of Gorr's power meant that everytime he impaled the Thor's he was replenished and/or augmented. That is not a luxury he will have against any of the combatants here.
The 2 lesser Thor's are slower than everyone on the team with the exception of one. Their invulnerability is superior to Young Thor and Modern Thor as well.
H'El is trans level. Period.
Ultraman is above herald at the peak of his Kryptonite high.
The remaining members of the team have enough power to diminish Gorr while not allowing him to boost off of them.
The extent of King Thor's power is dubious as well. The Thor Corps readily admit this.
King Thor and normal Thor were traveling light years in seconds in that fight. Show anyone on the team traveling that fast. And the funny thing is Gorr was able to tag them moving that fast with thrown pieces of the moon. If he can tag them moving that quick with objects he can tag any of these beings that lack any real speed feat.
Which is still below King Thor. And I never disputed that. I just said your assessment of H'el's fight was way off. It was less impressive by far than Gorr's. And it wasn't three on one nor was it even against three high heralds.
Your refusal to go against anything I stated about H'el tells the story.
So now Ultraman is allowed to be used at his highest off a temporary outside amp, but Gorr isn't allowed to be used off his permanent outside amp? What kind of horseshit is that?
And what the hell has Ultraman even done at his peak to show he's above herald level anyway? The guy has like 2 on panel feats.
Show Gorr ever being diminished. While you defend Ultraman needing to amp himself after one fight...
The "Thor Corps" also have a severe lack of proof. Their opinion is formed purely to only make Thor's highest seem better since he is "always" weakened. Never stated however, and more proof is on him being at full power or at the very least operating at a high level than him being weakened. I could requote my last discussion of this to you and you could continue from there if you'd like. 🙂
Either way, King Thor was able to blast Gorr light years. Kill the serpent fueled by many murdered Gods. Throw a planet into a black hole. Bring Thor back to life. Wrestle with Gorr long enough for Thor to absorb the God Bomb. And send everyone back to their own universe/timeline in that arc. Then the Galactus fight which showed power beyond anyone here.
That's also if we assume he's a different King Thor than the Reigning One. Who effortlessly got rid of 616 King Thor, killed Desak Destroyer. Stopped time, destroyed adamantium/Cap's shield with eye blasts, etc.
But yes, how couldn't Ultraman and H'el compare?