Superman vs Doctor Doom

Originally posted by zeel
smarter? not really superman is as smart as they come he just isn't acostumed to planning things out he leaves that to batman.

Did you just seriously compare Supermans intelligence to the one of Doctor Doom? Like seriously?

Doctor Doom is smarter than Superman and Batman combined.
Doctor Doom has built a Heaven Breacher - in order to get his dead mother back... if Batman only had half of Doctor Dooms intelligence he would have revived his parents long time ago and ended all the crime in Gotham City during his first night out.

Superman - who is smarter than Batman - still can't compare with Doctor Doom. Hell, in my opinion not even Reed Richards can, due to Dooms additional knowledge about sorcery, which lets him do things Reed Richards can't do.

On topic:

Superman is outclassed. In 30 seconds Doom could do a lot of shit like summoning some of his devices and using them against Superman. He has taken out far bigger opponents.

In order to beat Doctor Doom... Superman would have to go all Super Saiyan and transform into the Sentry. With that needed over 9000 power upgrade he would be able to compete with Doom... otherwise just LOL @ this topic!

Originally posted by Reflassshh
How the **** doom knows about supes weakness to magic?

Super is not magical which Doom would deduce in about three seconds.

Originally posted by zeel
As far as supes weakness to magic its overrated. This isn't PC supes were talking about here.

Originally posted by zeel
30 seconds prep jesus quanchi.smarter? not really superman is as smart as they come he just isn't acostumed to planning things out he leaves that to batman. Doom could win with A lot of prep but not 30 seconds. But then again you know that you just hate D.C. P

As far as supes weakness to magic its overrated. This isn't PC supes were talking about here.

Yeah, really.

Originally posted by ODG
DCnU Superman's resistance to magic is almost as bad. It's to the point where magic that doesn't even bother Batman, dehabilitates Superman.

Ask He Man's sword about Kal's weakness.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ask He Man's sword about Kal's weakness.

Yet superman took captain marvel's magically charged punches without any problem. But yeah, go by the lowest showings. Doom wouldn't like that one bit. Also that batman showing was due to a magical being draining him.

In character- Doom takes this.

His Force Fields can tank Thor Class damage.
Superman would need to blitz all-out to drop it fast.
And Supes would not do that until he is certain that such a brutal offensive would not kill his opponent.
Mental limitations are just as valid as power limitations; and Superman's actions are limited by his own moral compass.

Put simply- Superman will fight like Superman. Not like we would fight if we had access to Superman's powers.

That said- Doom's armor can scan a Herald Class being in record time and analyze alien energy signatures like Rain Man at a Casino.

I see Clark diving in and giving Doom's FF some grief.
But I see the FF holding for a bit.

And a bit is all that Doom would need to scan Clark's body and know exactly how dependent upon Solar Energy he is.

After that, Doom's Tech is more than capable of draining energy from Clark's body to bring him down a few pegs.
Not a full drain. But enough to take his edge.

After that- Magic is the ultimate equalizer.

Doom was trained in the Arcane Arts by Dr. Strange himself.
And he uses his Tech to super boost his arcane effectiveness.

Even without power-armor, Doom could take on many Super Heroes based his Arcane Arts alone.

Added to his high level of FF defense, Tech energy draining to suck the Solar out of Supes, and standard Power Armor attacks against the now weakened Superman... I see Doom's "near Baron Mordo" level Arcane Magic Blasts being enough to take down the big Blue Boy Scout.

I'm going to say that Doom is likely to win the first fight.
In a random encounter- Dr. Doom ftw.

BUT-

In a second encounter, when Supes knows what he is up against, I can see a powerful speed blitz at max power being enough to break down Doom's basic Force Field before Victor has a chance to bust out the Arcane Mojo.

First fight- Doom takes it.
Revenge Match- Supes takes it.

Overall- Roughly on par. These two would make outstanding rogues for each other.

Originally posted by zeel
30 seconds prep jesus quanchi.smarter? not really superman is as smart as they come he just isn't acostumed to planning things out he leaves that to batman. Doom could win with A lot of prep but not 30 seconds. But then again you know that you just hate D.C. P

As far as supes weakness to magic its overrated. This isn't PC supes were talking about here.

Doom is just another Luthor and will go down.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Doom is just another Luthor and will go down.

I get that Doom can, and will at times win (if not a majority), but seriously, the lowballing in this thread is getting ridiculous.

Cut it out, please.

And yes, I mean on both sides.

Originally posted by jaxthejester
In character- Doom takes this.

His Force Fields can tank Thor Class damage.
Superman would need to blitz all-out to drop it fast.
And Supes would not do that until he is certain that such a brutal offensive would not kill his opponent.
Mental limitations are just as valid as power limitations; and Superman's actions are limited by his own moral compass.

Put simply- Superman will fight like Superman. Not like we would fight if we had access to Superman's powers.

That said- Doom's armor can scan a Herald Class being in record time and analyze alien energy signatures like Rain Man at a Casino.

I see Clark diving in and giving Doom's FF some grief.
But I see the FF holding for a bit.

And a bit is all that Doom would need to scan Clark's body and know exactly how dependent upon Solar Energy he is.

After that, Doom's Tech is more than capable of draining energy from Clark's body to bring him down a few pegs.
Not a full drain. But enough to take his edge.

After that- Magic is the ultimate equalizer.

Doom was trained in the Arcane Arts by Dr. Strange himself.
And he uses his Tech to super boost his arcane effectiveness.

Even without power-armor, Doom could take on many Super Heroes based his Arcane Arts alone.

Added to his high level of FF defense, Tech energy draining to suck the Solar out of Supes, and standard Power Armor attacks against the now weakened Superman... I see Doom's "near Baron Mordo" level Arcane Magic Blasts being enough to take down the big Blue Boy Scout.

I'm going to say that Doom is likely to win the first fight.
In a random encounter- Dr. Doom ftw.

BUT-

In a second encounter, when Supes knows what he is up against, I can see a powerful speed blitz at max power being enough to break down Doom's basic Force Field before Victor has a chance to bust out the Arcane Mojo.

First fight- Doom takes it.
Revenge Match- Supes takes it.

Overall- Roughly on par. These two would make outstanding rogues for each other.

Via the full capacity rule Superman can blitz. It's a viable tactic. Calling it out of character depends entirely on the situation. If Superman is angry and trying to win a fight (not just trying to stop a bank robber) then it makes sense. Within the rules of a forum fight, he's aware he's fighting and he's trying to win. He doesn't think he's just trying to protect metropolis or something.

Originally posted by ODG

Doom get his time machine, goes back in time, kills Ma and Pa Kent and adopts Kal-El and turns him into an unstoppable killing machine.