Who makes the Palpatine-Sidious connection?

Started by Cipher4 pages

What?

Couldn't SW.com have done that just to throw off geeks?
The height difference, I mean.

saying that it was done purposely is what SW.com always do .

I would know what do those extra 5 cm come from ; the pointy hood upon sidious's head maybe........but it still doesnt alter his physical stature.

what say you ?

perhaps sidious' elephant man forhead.

it was sidious who was declared taller?

anyway the topic has shifted a bit, with the knowledge of mace vs palps.
so here's my 2 cents:

i see palps alone with anakin, sensing that obiwan has figured out his scheme. he realises that it's time to reveal himself to his would-be apprentice. at this point, he gives a speech to anakin about how the jedi are flawed and weak because they dont realize the true nature of the force. with the leadership of such a master force user, it would be possible to "end this distructive conflict, and bring order throughout the galaxy."

after which he would admit to anakin that he is a sith, and reveal his true self (my theory is that he masks his true appearence through the darkside) palpatine would then go on to feed anakin's forever starving ego with talks of his potential not being fully realized, and how he is the most gifted force user etc etc.

enter mace, who confronts palpatine. anakin is having a crisis, but then palpatine urges him to stay out of the fight, so that he may demonstrate the power of the darkside. after a intense battle, palpatine proves just that.

mace is wounded, but alive. palpatine then continues his selling to anakin, with talks of "he has held you back your whole life" "he is weak, and jealous of your power" "the jedi are weak, and will never end these conflicts" manipulative stuff of this nature, to dicredit the jedi, feed his ego, and play on anakins virtues at the same time.

"you must choose"

anakin walks toward palps...then hestates..then walks behind the wounded mace, who is standing up at this point. mace then looks relieved as he thinks anakin has chosen to stay with the jedi, as he sees anakin walk toward, around, and behind him....and then *wham* anakin thrusts his lightsaber through mace's back and out the front of his chest.

dark side

I'd still like it when Anakin does all the fighting with Mace, defending Palpy. After all, Palpy has always been nice and appreciatative to Anakin. Mace's first impression to Anakin was that he was a complete a$$ in TPM. Somehow it fits with Anakin taht way: the Jedi have always held him back. From his POV of course.

there is a shot of mace that looks very much like he is being bombarded by sith lightning....i think all have made good points....no sides for me yet....combination perhaps?.....

Maybe Anakin farted... 😉

Originally posted by PVS
perhaps sidious' elephant man forhead.

it was sidious who was declared taller?

anyway the topic has shifted a bit, with the knowledge of mace vs palps.
so here's my 2 cents:

i see palps alone with anakin, sensing that obiwan has figured out his scheme. he realises that it's time to reveal himself to his would-be apprentice. at this point, he gives a speech to anakin about how the jedi are flawed and weak because they dont realize the true nature of the force. with the leadership of such a master force user, it would be possible to "end this distructive conflict, and bring order throughout the galaxy."

after which he would admit to anakin that he is a sith, and reveal his true self (my theory is that he masks his true appearence through the darkside) palpatine would then go on to feed anakin's forever starving ego with talks of his potential not being fully realized, and how he is the most gifted force user etc etc.

enter mace, who confronts palpatine. anakin is having a crisis, but then palpatine urges him to stay out of the fight, so that he may demonstrate the power of the darkside. after a intense battle, palpatine proves just that.

mace is wounded, but alive. palpatine then continues his selling to anakin, with talks of "he has held you back your whole life" "he is weak, and jealous of your power" "the jedi are weak, and will never end these conflicts" manipulative stuff of this nature, to dicredit the jedi, feed his ego, and play on anakins virtues at the same time.

"you must choose"

anakin walks toward palps...then hestates..then walks behind the wounded mace, who is standing up at this point. mace then looks relieved as he thinks anakin has chosen to stay with the jedi, as he sees anakin walk toward, around, and behind him....and then *wham* anakin thrusts his lightsaber through mace's back and out the front of his chest.

dark side

that makes a lot of sense to me, nice post 😮‍💨 😮‍💨

I doubt Anakin is good enough to beat Mace one-on-one, not if he loses to Obi-Wan. I feel Palpatine is going to light-up Mace and force Anakin to choose
sides. Palpatine must have some kind of information that sways Anakin, perhaps that History Lesson pic?

Originally posted by queeq
Maybe Anakin farted... 😉

😆 no joke, he DOES have that "damn thats nasty" look on his face.

Originally posted by rayj
that makes a lot of sense to me, nice post 😮‍💨 😮‍💨

thanks🙂

ill admit i sprinkled it with some wishful thinking, with a dash of my own theory on palpatine. but other than that, i see this as the scenario

Still, even with diminished capacity in the Force, a Jedi would sense a Force user in the same room with them......

apparently not....

apart from yoda and mace giving him frequent funny looks like they're talking to someone who's name they've forgotten while suffering from a migraine in aotc.

"he's behind you!!"......

i too have this funny feeling that Mace with be struck down by Anakin posibly....but i think Palpatine will have more to do with Maces demise especially since we know that Palpatine now will use his lightsaber in ROTS.....

kadub, what you've said above matches with what i've heard....only thing is i see the lightsabres first appearance being for the yoda duel, and the mace scene to be mainly force lightning and tht kind of thing....then again apparently there are several jedi with mace when the confrontation takes place, so a sabre makes sense from that point of view....i have nothing concrete on the topic of sabre use in the scene, it's just how i visualise it, and that is admittedly influenced by the fact that i still have trouble imagining palpatine with a sabre at all at this point....basically though, you're right on the money from what i've heard...

Vader sensed Obi-Wan on the other side of the Death Star, don't forget.
They've been blinded in their ability to read into the future and sensing trouble out in the galaxy. But they clearly still can use the Force....

Anyone heard if Mace confronts Palpatine before he declares himself Emperor?
I'm kind of thinking its before that and he uses the attack as part of his anti-
Jedi legislation.....

i don't think they're still suffering from "force blindness" by the time of anh....

yeah, what you say about palpatine becoming emperor matches with what i believe....he convinces the senate that the jedi have turned to evil and are out to assasinate him with the intention to take power....

I like the idea of Palpatine using their actions against them that way.
Maybe he'll bring up the clones being ordered by a Jedi master....

Jedi still have the ability to use the Force on a personal level in Ep.2 which is why I have trouble with the darkside disguise theory. They would sense it.
I think Yoda might have gotten a hint of something in Palpatine's office.
Or he didn't like the way they were being ordered around....

yep that is true yoda turned and looked at him with sort of a grin and new something at that point like he could'nt trust him.

"she is a politician, and cannot be trusted"

an old jedi prejudice it would seem.

yoda could just have heard the BS sentiment in palps' voice and thought "huh another crooked politician"