Originally posted by NephthysYou do know Maul was getting the better of Vader in Star Wars Tales, don't you??
Vader beats Dooku (again).
Dooku was aboard a higher level than Maul (AoTC). The highest, in fact, Dooku and Windu were considered as not only the greatest of their age, but of any age (AoTC).
Dooku wounded Yoda in Dark Rendezvous - Windu defeated a character with nearly as much raw Force power as Yoda.
Vader's one prayer was his ability to stand against Starkiller II, but he trained minute weak-points Starkiller II's style just for that reason, and was able to fall into an unbreakable defense because of this.
Revan's strength in the Force was dwarfed by Vader's (Empire of Dreams documentary) who was very close to the Emperor, who was the most powerful Sith Lord in the mythos (Refer to the Vitiate Vs Sidious thread).
Tyranus' power level was similar to Vader's, almost equal, as before Anakin let lose in their battle on the Invisible Hand Dooku was able to Force kick Anakin halfway across the level whilst Force choking Obi-wan like a helpless puppy - then proceeding to sling him across the entire Throne Room and in a split second rip an observation deck off its hinges to trap the unconscious Jedi Master.
In the CW Mace Windu butchered an entire army of super battle droids - decommissioned a super-weapon large and powerful enough to cause seismic disturbances, before proceeding to Force jump across the plains - landing in front of a far away onlooker. Keep in mind Mace Windu was bested in his duels with Dooku only 10 years prior to this event, and strictly among the Jedi of the PT era he was far ahead of all but Dooku and Yoda before Ani began growing by leaps and bounds after TCW.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Don't see him beating Malgus or Tyranus.
, Vader.
I don't see him beating Malgus because, although he may have slightly better TK capabilities - he can't use Force lightning due to his circuitry, Sidious designed the controls of his respirator to be susceptible to a critical strike, he has less motility and is more easily off-balanced when compared to his template Malgus - and Malgus is fully devoted to the dark, and therefore his powers come close to Vader's - just like Starkiller II.
I don't see him beating Tyranus because that little lightsaber is going to get through Vader's defenses very quickly as a result of Tyranus having immensely superior balance and range of motion - and comparable strength in the Force to Vader, more so than Malgus and Starkiller II judging from his "Force contest" with Yoda and his general dismissal of opponents like Quinlan Vos and Obi-wan Kenobi with straight TK.
Tyranus is a veritable giant.
You do know Maul was getting the better of Vader in Star Wars Tales, don't you?
Tales seems to have a higher opinion of Maul's power than most things, Vader has many showings that quite surpass Maul's.
Compare Maul vs Qui-gon and Obi-wan, to Vader taking on entire groups of Jedi masters and coming out on top.
Originally posted by Q99
Tales seems to have a higher opinion of Maul's power than most things, Vader has many showings that quite surpass Maul's.Compare Maul vs Qui-gon and Obi-wan, to Vader taking on entire groups of Jedi masters and coming out on top.
Maul was caught by surprise, the character's inattentiveness was demonstrated by Sidious in Episode I Journal: Darth Maul.
Actually, there were several masters in the group. These members include Tsui Choi, Koffi Arana, Ma'kis'shaalas, Jastus Farr, Roblio Darte, and Shadday Potkin. The others were knights.
Even so, I'm inclined to agree that Vader really got overwhelmed in that battle, even when he had quite a few distinct advantages over the team. Another thing that should be noted though--This was nowhere near Vader's peak.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
This was nowhere near Vader's peak.
Vader suffered from an inner conflict that prevented him from letting lose his full power.
In that fight he was emotionally compromised, made many tactical errors, and his lightsaber skills weren't fully developed. Over the years his tactics and lightsaber style will have improve marginally, as to whether or not he'd take the group or Maul, it could go either way - as would many of his fights. More than not I'll give you Vader over Maul easy, and RoTS Kenobi with major difficulty; but not Malgus or Tyranus.