Well, to be fair, a Mac you can use for gaming will be more expensive than 1000$, so I guess it's not a serious suggestion in this case.
Though I do think, if you are into playing games on a PC, using Windows on part of your Mac is acceptable. That way you have the very, very best hardware design on the market, and the best operating system for all non-gaming tasks. So while I can't suggest one to him in this case (cause he wouldn't be happy with a Mac Mini), generally Macs are a great idea.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, to be fair, a Mac you can use for gaming will be more expensive than 1000$, so I guess it's not a serious suggestion in this case.Though I do think, if you are into playing games on a PC, using Windows on part of your Mac is acceptable. That way you have the very, very best hardware design on the market, and the best operating system for all non-gaming tasks. So while I can't suggest one to him in this case (cause he wouldn't be happy with a Mac Mini), generally Macs are a great idea.
Very, very best hardware design on the market? Are you talking about Macs, which are assembled in China? TROLOLO.
Also, I agree with Digi and Backfire on taking your time. It's essential so as not to make mistakes. I took nearly four hours on my first rig. And the CPU is the most fragile, nerve-wracking part.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Very, very best hardware design on the market? Are you talking about Macs, which are assembled in China? TROLOLO.
Well, yeah, most of them. I don't know what you are trying to say, China are the very best assemblers of electronics hardware in the world. Virtually every company uses Chinese manufacturers. If you do want US assembled Mac stuff you won't have to wait long for the Mac Pro though. tbh, bit out of my price and use-case range tho.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, I agree with Digi and Backfire on taking your time. It's essential so as not to make mistakes. I took nearly four hours on my first rig. And the CPU is the most fragile, nerve-wracking part.
Building a PC can be a good experience if you are into that sort of thing. I used to find it exciting to build my own. Nowadays I would rather have the convenience of not having to do that and perhaps pay a bit more for a preassembled one.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, to be fair, a Mac you can use for gaming will be more expensive than 1000$, so I guess it's not a serious suggestion in this case.Though I do think, if you are into playing games on a PC, using Windows on part of your Mac is acceptable. That way you have the very, very best hardware design on the market, and the best operating system for all non-gaming tasks. So while I can't suggest one to him in this case (cause he wouldn't be happy with a Mac Mini), generally Macs are a great idea.
I honestly don't see the advantage to having a mac over a pc bar aesthetics, which is more personal preference than anything. Sure, if you have a mac already and want to game, then by all means.
a mac isn't inherently better than a pc component-wise though, imo. the insides of macs are almost the same as pc's nowadays, at least in terms of the parts used.
Ignore Bardock, he essentially works for Apple. When I decided to get an android phone instead of an iphone he actually threatened my life.
But yes, the CPU can be very scary, and it can be the most dangerous. If you put it in wrong you can damage the CPU/socket. The other parts that I have trouble with is mounting the motherboard, but that's probably because I have big oaf hands. Also the little wires that connect to the front of the case can be annoying, cuz they're so small and they all look the same.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly don't see the advantage to having a mac over a pc bar aesthetics, which is more personal preference than anything. Sure, if you have a mac already and want to game, then by all means.a mac isn't inherently better than a pc component-wise though, imo. the insides of macs are almost the same as pc's nowadays, at least in terms of the parts used.
Yes, the inside hardware is essentially the same. You get generally a better built device (for example their trackpads are not even close to being matched by any other company) and you get OS X, which is amazing. If you only want to do gaming on your computer, fair enough, get a desktop windows machine, assemble it yourself perhaps. But if you want to do anything besides the gaming, I'd go with a Mac if it is in your price range. They are more fun, they last longer, and they keep their value longer if you are into selling and upgrading.
Originally posted by BackFire
Ignore Bardock, he essentially works for Apple. When I decided to get an android phone instead of an iphone he actually threatened my life.
Yeah, but I ****ing didn't do it, so what are you complaining about?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, the inside hardware is essentially the same. You get generally a better built device (for example their trackpads are not even close to being matched by any other company)
I'm not sure what you mean by this though. This isn't supported by anything I've encountered nor heard and in fact I'd wager Apple defective percentage is on par with most major electronics. True, most electronics are assembled in China (because they'd cost like 5 times as much otherwise) but I have yet to see proof that a Mac PC is inherently better than a Windows PC by virtue of the same parts being assembled better, and something approaching a 400-500 dollar markup on the total package. And god help you if something is wrong with the rig.
Unless you're arguing that their plastic casing is prettier and more flush along the buttons, in which case, I'm absolutely sold.
and you get OS X, which is amazing.
And is pretty much not used in any workplace or regular setting except for people who do advanced music recording or graphical design.
If you only want to do gaming on your computer, fair enough, get a desktop windows machine, assemble it yourself perhaps. But if you want to do anything besides the gaming, I'd go with a Mac if it is in your price range. They are more fun, they last longer, and they keep their value longer if you are into selling and upgrading.
You should get royalties from them, really.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, the inside hardware is essentially the same. You get generally a better built device (for example their trackpads are not even close to being matched by any other company) and you get OS X, which is amazing. If you only want to do gaming on your computer, fair enough, get a desktop windows machine, assemble it yourself perhaps. But if you want to do anything besides the gaming, I'd go with a Mac if it is in your price range. They are more fun, they last longer, and they keep their value longer if you are into selling and upgrading.
trackpads i'll give you, but I don't agree about OSX. I find the apple os's to be awful to use, personally. They're far too restrictive for my liking.
I find a pc allows me to do more and have more freedom than a mac. Sure, macs are great for their resolution and their trackpads, but fun, longevity etc? Nope.
Though I may be biased, as I used to work in pc repair, and apples gave us far more hassle than any one brand when it came to repairs.
Originally posted by BackFire
Ignore Bardock, he essentially works for Apple. When I decided to get an android phone instead of an iphone he actually threatened my life.But yes, the CPU can be very scary, and it can be the most dangerous. If you put it in wrong you can damage the CPU/socket. The other parts that I have trouble with is mounting the motherboard, but that's probably because I have big oaf hands. Also the little wires that connect to the front of the case can be annoying, cuz they're so small and they all look the same.
ah, I see. poor bardock. 🙁
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm not sure what you mean by this though. This isn't supported by anything I've encountered nor heard and in fact I'd wager Apple defective percentage is on par with most major electronics. True, most electronics are assembled in China (because they'd cost like 5 times as much otherwise) but I have yet to see proof that a Mac PC is inherently better than a Windows PC by virtue of the same parts being assembled better, and something approaching a 400-500 dollar markup on the total package. And god help you if something is wrong with the rig.Unless you're arguing that their plastic casing is prettier and more flush along the buttons, in which case, I'm absolutely sold.
Well, they do use unibody aluminum for their portables. So that's pretty good. You can just look at used models of Apple products, they still sell at good prices years later, there's no way you'll get anything much for a PC 2 years down the line.
The picture you posted is a good illustration though, which car would you actually want to drive...you can have your Corolla, I'll be happy in my M5..
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
And is pretty much not used in any workplace or regular setting except for people who do advanced music recording or graphical design.
Then get an additional license for Windows for your corporate stooge job. Although a lot has happened in terms of bring your own device workplaces and support of Mac. And the way Microsoft is going it's gonna get better and better for Apple users.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You should get royalties from them, really.
I wouldn't mind that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
trackpads i'll give you, but I don't agree about OSX. I find the apple os's to be awful to use, personally. They're far too restrictive for my liking.I find a pc allows me to do more and have more freedom than a mac. Sure, macs are great for their resolution and their trackpads, but fun, longevity etc? Nope.
Though I may be biased, as I used to work in pc repair, and apples gave us far more hassle than any one brand when it came to repairs.
You know that OS X is POSIX compliant. It's a Unix system, calling it restrictive is a bit out there.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Does it really ****ing matter?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, they do use unibody aluminum for their portables. So that's pretty good. You can just look at used models of Apple products, they still sell at good prices years later, there's no way you'll get anything much for a PC 2 years down the line.
But what if I don't care what my case is made out of anyways? I can buy a custom case or build one myself if that was the Judas of my life. You asserted they were better designed, and that this had some impact on the purchase decision over PC. Considering the only difference between a PC and Mac with the same internal components is the shell and software, this doesn't justify the ridiculous mark-up. And for a gamer, it just hamstrings the buyer because the Mac market for games is much smaller than PC.
The picture you posted is a good illustration though, which car would you actually want to drive...you can have your Corolla, I'll be happy in my M5..
Only if your M5 needed to be replaced instead of given a new oil filter. Solid purchase choice, bro.
Then get an additional license for Windows for your corporate stooge job. Although a lot has happened in terms of bring your own device workplaces and support of Mac. And the way Microsoft is going it's gonna get better and better for Apple users.
Slippery slope wishful thinking? Interesting tactic.
But you've missed the point: as of now, PC is overwhelmingly the norm. The only time an Apple product beats out Microsoft conclusively is in mobiles and tablets (maybe, the Windows tablets are a much better buy already). I'm not a fan of Microsoft; if anything, I detest some of their business practices. But I'm arguing from the POV of a perspective buyer now, not five or ten years from now.
I wouldn't mind that.
Pretty sure you're already on the take.
Was gonna reply to Bardock, but this is off topic I think. He already said he was buying a PC, didn't he?
If it being built at home is an option, here are some helpful tools:
^ this one, you give them a budget, and they recommend the parts you should use. Localised to Britain, America and Canada.
^ This one lets you pick your own parts, but it also tells you whether the parts are compatible or not. The first link I provided actually uses the second site to help with compatibility, so they're both handy enough.
Well shit, thanks guys. I appreciate all the advice. I've brought in my older brother who's a little more techsavvy, too, and I've started the math process to figure out my best options. I should be the owner of a new PC by the end of the month, hopefully. 'cause this thing's getting to be a pain in the ass.