Death Sentry Vs Thanos

Started by ODG10 pages

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Well, regardless. We have to wait a few issues to see what the death seed sentry is capable of. Im not saying he cant beat Thanos, but one has a long history of whoppin ass and the other doesent. So this is an uphill battle for Sentry imo. And as some on this site, and in this thread would put it. "That boy full of fail".

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Death Sentry is definitively capable of beating the crap out of Thor in a short fight and it doesn't even really look like he's trying very hard. He's already proven that much.

Can one say the same for Thanos?

There's an argument to be made. Hence the thread.

Thanos

Originally posted by Tony Stark

So the first time MM tried to kill SENTRY he was detuned... SENTRY came back.

One "COULD" argue that MM may have been a little miffed or discouraged about SENTRY coming back and chose to up the ante and give his shot at killing SENTRY a little more juice; upping his power at tap... SENTRY came back.

MM is now on panel noticeably concerned and confused and now scared. One "COULD" again argue that MM felt that he needed to once again up his level of power to try and finally complete his desired goal to KILL SENTRY for good. One "COULD" argue that MM went to "11" and is now completely unhooked and is willing to go "ALL OUT" or to "FULL POWER and he tries to kill SENTRY once and for all.

But,... SENTRY comes back. AGAIN.

That's not true. The first two times Molecule Man destroyed the Sentry, he brought the Sentry back later on by himself.
The third time he destroyed the Sentry, Sentry returned immediately under his own power.

The first time he brought the Sentry back was to talk to him and to apologize to him for what he is doing, but he knew that the Sentry would try to harm him otherwise.
The second time he brought Sentry back was because of Victorias and his deal, where she told him to revert everything back he has done. We then saw Sentry re-appearing again and Molecule Man said that he has done it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Voidtry is a Trans level character going by on panel fights and feats (and writer's comments stating that he'd lose to a skyfather level being). This is nothing to be ashamed of.

If Death Sentry is anywhere near Voidtry powerwise, Thanos is in for the fight of his life and may actually lose.

A writer never stated that the Void would lose to a Skyfather.
The person, who stated that was Tom Brevoort, one of the main editors during that time and still the editor of certain comics, but ...
... Tom Brevoort also stated recently that Skyfathers would beat the Beyonder and Molecule Man like they were nothing (and I'm not talking about the weak versions of the characters), so his opinion doesn't hold any value on that.

And on the other statement:
Let's just view the characters as beings in a parallel universe for a moment and not fiction written by 10-20-30 different people, who may or may not invest time and effort to actually learn about the characters and grasp them fully to do a good job on the story ...
... With Sentry not having to deal with the Void anymore, he has become stable, which unlocks a lot of his power set - Sentry already beat the Void in the past, when he his mind was more clear in straight up battles and should therefore be considered as more powerful than the Void, when at his best. Now we have that Sentry with a power upgrade, so yes - it's pretty damn sure to assume that he is more powerful than the Void.

With that being said ... you need to keep in mind how easily Sentry overwhelmed Thor in Uncanny Avengers and two statements that he is the most powerful being certain mutants ever met. And then look at the fights between the other horsemen and the Uncanny Avengers ... the Uncanny Avengers were holding their own actually Grim Reaper, Daken and Banshee had to fight to win - they didn't simply overwhelm their opponents in direct combat, when their opponents were serious about the attack.

Sentry certainly looked better so far than the other horsemen, if we look at all of their respective power levels.

Originally posted by Enzeru

A writer never stated that the Void would lose to a Skyfather.
The person, who stated that was Tom Brevoort, one of the main editors during that time and still the editor of certain comics, but ...
... Tom Brevoort also stated recently that Skyfathers would beat the Beyonder and Molecule Man like they were nothing (and I'm not talking about the weak versions of the characters), so his opinion doesn't hold any value on that.

Interesting. Do you have a link to this? It would come in handy in future forum discussions. Brevoort is sounding more and more like a total moron.

And on the other statement:
Let's just view the characters as beings in a parallel universe for a moment and not fiction written by 10-20-30 different people, who may or may not invest time and effort to actually learn about the characters and grasp them fully to do a good job on the story ...
... With Sentry not having to deal with the Void anymore, he has become stable, which unlocks a lot of his power set - Sentry already beat the Void in the past, when he his mind was more clear in straight up battles and should therefore be considered as more powerful than the Void, when at his best. Now we have that Sentry with a power upgrade, so yes - it's pretty damn sure to assume that he is more powerful than the Void.

With that being said ... you need to keep in mind how easily Sentry overwhelmed Thor in Uncanny Avengers and two statements that he is the most powerful being certain mutants ever met. And then look at the fights between the other horsemen and the Uncanny Avengers ... the Uncanny Avengers were holding their own actually Grim Reaper, Daken and Banshee had to fight to win - they didn't simply overwhelm their opponents in direct combat, when their opponents were serious about the attack.

Sentry certainly looked better so far than the other horsemen, if we look at all of their respective power levels.


Well in the final What If issue published, Voidtry went on an unstoppable rampage killing every hero and villain on Earth then destroying the planet then making his way to the moon to finish off that realities Watcher.

Regarding Death Sentry, I want to know how powerful he is relative to the "old" Voidtry.

Originally posted by zopzop
Interesting. Do you have a link to this? It would come in handy in future forum discussions. Brevoort is sounding more and more like a total moron.

Yeah, I made sure to capture that fail on a screenshot.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108566/3398771-breevort-statement.jpg

You can of course look it up on brevoortformspring.tumblr.com, but I guess that you'll have to scroll for a whole while.

Originally posted by zopzop
Well in the final What If issue published, Voidtry went on an unstoppable rampage killing every hero and villain on Earth then destroying the planet then making his way to the moon to finish off that realities Watcher.

Regarding Death Sentry, I want to know how powerful he is relative to the "old" Voidtry.

Only time will tell, but at the moment I don't think that it should be much higher than the power upgrade of the other Horsemen of Death is, where it looked like the Uncanny Avengers might be able to defeat them, if they fully unleash.

Going by the statements and the way Rick Remender has portrayed Sentry in the past (The Punisher V7 #1) I think that the Sentry will give everyone in the story a major run for his money, if they face off.

But then again ... originally it was Ares, who was supposed to return as the Horseman of War and beat the crap out of Thor in their first encounter, I guess and for that he would have needed a vast power upgrade and if Rick Remender decided to stick with the same power upgrade, when it comes to the Sentry, then he will be viewing the character as a high herald (only), but I honestly doubt that :-7 One would not throw out with "most powerful being" statements left and right, if he didn't think a standard Sentry is only a high herald.

Thanos wins.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Yeah, I made sure to capture that fail on a screenshot.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108566/3398771-breevort-statement.jpg

You can of course look it up on brevoortformspring.tumblr.com, but I guess that you'll have to scroll for a whole while.


Wow! So his Sentry comment can be safely ignored. 😆

Originally posted by zopzop
But there are different versions of MM depending on his mindset.

Version A) : No space/time manip, no organic molecules, inability to reconstruct complex items he's destroyed. Version A examples of MM include : his pre Secret War self, his post Cube Merger Self (vs Klaw and vs Aaron the Rogue). This version atomized Mjolnir/Cap's Shield/IM's armor/SS's Board and easily beat these four Avengers.

Version B) : this version can manipulate space/time to a limited extent, can manipulate organic molecules, can reconstruct complex items. This is the version that Voidtry beat.

Version C) : abstract level space/time manip, abstract level matter manip. This is the Secret War I/II version and the MM Unleashed version (that fought post retcon Beyonder). This version would annihistomp Sentry.

These Versions aren't 100% exact because of the annoying nature of this characters history but they serve as a rough guideline.

The fact that Voidtry beat Version B of MM is damn impressive in and of itself. A weaker version of MM, Version A, atomized Mjlonir/Surfer's Board/Cap's Shield/IM's armor.

Voidtry is a Trans level character going by on panel fights and feats (and writer's comments stating that he'd lose to a skyfather level being). This is nothing to be ashamed of.

If Death Sentry is anywhere near Voidtry powerwise, Thanos is in for the fight of his life and may actually lose.

And there are ALSO different versions of SENTRY dependent upon HIS mindset.

And you're are ALSO forgetting that SENTRY out MM'd MM while just on the spot learning that he had that type of power.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Thanos wins.

👆 Thanos has a new b***h

Originally posted by Tony Stark
And there are ALSO different versions of SENTRY dependent upon HIS mindset.

I know. But going by strictly on panel showings, Sentry is anywhere from Mid Herald to Trans depending on his mindset.

And you're are ALSO forgetting that SENTRY out MM'd MM while just on the spot learning that he had that type of power.

Again, I know. That's why it was so impressive. "Version B" MM is at LEAST Trans level (see what the weaker "Version A" MM did to Thor and crew in the example I gave) and Sentry beat him convincingly.

Originally posted by ODG
Death Sentry is definitively capable of beating the crap out of Thor in a short fight and it doesn't even really look like he's trying very hard. He's already proven that much.

Can one say the same for Thanos?

There's an argument to be made. Hence the thread.

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As already shown on panel.

Thanos beats the crap out of him then mindrapes Sentry and makes him his new toilet cleaner.

Originally posted by zopzop

Interesting. Do you have a link to this? It would come in handy in future forum discussions. Brevoort is sounding more and more like a total moron. [/B]


IIRC, he made some sort of a comment regarding Molecule Man on his old formspring account. And those links which Enzeru provided, they sounded less like serious answers and more like the usual trollery he inflicts on butthurt fans who bombard him with useless questions about power levels.

So basically from my understanding here is that Thanos wins.

^This man knows what he's talking about.

Heralds of Quan osheet

Sentry wins.

Thanos wins

Originally posted by panthergod
Sentry wins.
How ?

Knocking Thanos out.