who is the most powerful marvel and dc characters ever

Originally posted by Enzeru
That's not true.

The most powerful being(s) in the DC universe are the Presence and his evil side the Great Evil Beast, but even the Presence stated that there are forces even beyond his power - he was clearly refering to the writers.

When it comes to Marvel though The One Above All has been established as the most powerful being in that universe, because it is the writer himself, who jumped into the story and proved that he can do whatever he wants to do.

The One Above All from the Marvel universe is actually the most powerful being in all of creation. He might be not the only one, where a writer includes himself in his creation and he most likely also isn't the first one, but the One Above All has the total control over the entire Marvel multiverse, which is a lot bigger than everything else, where the argument could be made that there are other writers in fictions... these writers are not in such a big and rich universe.

With all that being said...

[b]Marvel Universe:

The One Above All
(Pre Retcon Beyonder)
(Pre Retcon Molecule Man)
Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Scathan the Approver
Protégé
Living Tribunal (who is in my opinion on pair with DC's Presence)

DC Universe:

The Presence / The Great Evil Beast
Michael Demiurgos
Lucifer Morningstar
The Over-Monitor
COIE Spectre (that means no PIS, no jobbing ... just Spectre at his best)

Image Universe:

Miracle Man / Mother Of Existence / Whatever he calls himself
uhm ... Divine Spawn? I'm not buying that one at all :-| [/B]

Not true? well let's see then, Morrison appears as the writer in Animal Man #25, here's some scans from issue 26:

http://i.imgur.com/YcnOYk0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D1hKwoI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xYaUDKX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ysYdXPf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HjT5ZAV.jpg

Furthermore, a bio confirms his meta-textual appearance:

http://i.imgur.com/gn0l3bj.jpg?1

Suicide Squad v1 #58: Basically a character having writer powers:

http://i.imgur.com/vLDlnqN.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/wvbJrvR.jpg?1

I can give more examples.

As for the GEB, being God's shadow/evil side doesn't make him equal, here's Doom Patrol v2 #32 stating technically the same thing about Decreator:

http://i.imgur.com/SuBhUOb.jpg

In fact Decreator is also called God's shadow, and the GEB is called the exact same thing, interesting no?

TOAA is not the only writer to appear in a comic, this was even shown in the 70s in FF #176 (confirmed by a bio too btw)

Of course HOTU, Protege, Scathan, etc... are going to make the list, all these are common knowledge, however marvel - like DC - has several creation stories, unknown ones like the one from Strange Tales v4 #2, features a creator unheard of

http://i.imgur.com/NuRpGiW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vUOoigA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/420thTC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VlKNYxv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/j9gOIKu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EDlOSrp.jpg

I can also show you kind of supreme beings in the conan the barbarian line of comics, same thing with Ghost Rider and its depiction of Yahweh, (of course apart from the popular ones such as the infinity being) etc..

Or in DC, several mythologies (including kryptonian the one associated with Rao) has a creation story shown on panel, making them essentially supreme beings.

Spawn imbued with MoM's powers was nothing special, didn't achieve any universal feat even, MoM however is the supreme being of the image omniverse.

^^ also, just wanted to add: TOAA is not a specific writer or anything, writers/artists change so as does TOAA, that's why Reed's and Ben's bio (2005) specifically say that the FF met the creatorS, despite the fact that they only met 1 (Jack Kirby):

http://i.imgur.com/Yis5z3i.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/eTRW6i1.jpg?1

imo, that says that TOAA represents all writers/artists.

What about the consumer or fans? What happens if they stop buying comics? Could this be the forces beyond the fictional all mighty's power? i also can not understand what makes one omnipotent fictitious character shine above another fictitious omnipotent character. How was Thanos with the HOTU less or more powerful than the way pre retcon Beyonder was initially written, or Thanos with the IG for that matter? How do we as readers step in, and make the distinction?

Originally posted by operator616
^^ also, just wanted to add: TOAA is not a specific writer or anything, writers/artists change so as does TOAA, that's why Reed's and Ben's bio (2005) specifically say that the FF met the creatorS, despite the fact that they only met 1 (Jack Kirby):

http://i.imgur.com/Yis5z3i.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/eTRW6i1.jpg?1

imo, that says that TOAA represents all writers/artists.

TOAA(or any variation of that title) is just a blanket term used in the comic world to describe the RL writers/artists. Essentially, each writer/artist in Marvel and DC is TOAA.

Aside from those you mentioned, Mike Carlin has been the Supreme Being a few times as well:

(You could also consider Eddie Berganza the co-Supreme Being in the above sequence.)

There are several other examples, but the point should be pretty clear.

Iron Fist or Squirrel Girl

"A job for" Superman

Originally posted by Galan007
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TOAA(or any variation of that title) is just a blanket term used in the comic world to describe the RL writers/artists. Essentially, each writer/artist in Marvel and DC is TOAA.

Aside from those you mentioned, Mike Carlin has been the Supreme Being a few times as well:

(You could also consider Eddie Berganza the co-Supreme Being in the above sequence.)

There are several other examples, but the point should be pretty clear.

GMG (Grand-Master Galan) has entered the debate. You are all in a losing battle now!

Originally posted by operator616
Should be noted that Warlord did feature a number of powerful beings, it even introduced the abstract Death (in a female form) before Death of the endless was introduced, though she didn't do much.

Such as? Were they all mystic related?

Superman for both

Originally posted by operator616
Not true? well let's see then, Morrison appears as the writer in Animal Man #25, here's some scans from issue 26:

You didn't really understand what I was talking about, when it comes to TOAA - and then you kinda understood it and elaborated on it even further, which is nice I guess, but it still remains the same:

TOAA stands above anything else in terms of fiction, because it's the writer. It is not Morrison, who might have the control over Animal Man at that point, but not over 200 other characters at the same time.
TOAA has the control over everything, because he is a shifting idea.

You can't compare something like that to TOAA.
TOAA is an idea - what happened there was comical relief. It's like when Deadpool left the Marvel universe to kill the writers of his own comic. Was he going to kill TOAA? One could desperately try to make the argument, but that would be stupid. Comical relief.

I always laugh at someone arguing that Marvel's God>DC's God.

Doctor Doom.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doctor Doom.

👆 Welcome back!

Thanks!

😄

Originally posted by Mindset
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Originally posted by pym-ftw
Iron Fist or Squirrel Girl

"A job for" Superman

Originally posted by abhilegend
I always laugh at someone arguing that Marvel's God>DC's God.

That's not a problem, because no one on this entire planet takes you seriously.

Edit: Let me correct myself ... No one in the entire solar system takes you seriously.

Second Edit: I forgot to call you "Raj", Raj.

Classic Strange and Classic Fate would be up there

Originally posted by Enzeru
That's not a problem, because no one on this entire planet takes you seriously.

Edit: Let me correct myself ... No one in the entire solar system takes you seriously.

Second Edit: I forgot to call you "Raj", Raj.

Originally posted by Stoic
What about the consumer or fans? What happens if they stop buying comics? Could this be the forces beyond the fictional all mighty's power? i also can not understand what makes one omnipotent fictitious character shine above another fictitious omnipotent character. How was Thanos with the HOTU less or more powerful than the way pre retcon Beyonder was initially written, or Thanos with the IG for that matter? How do we as readers step in, and make the distinction?

There are levels of infinity (and in turn, omnipotence), it's been stated many times, here's one explanation from Fantastic Four annual #26:

http://i.imgur.com/qfnoie9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZwTR8Dj.jpg

I mean, look at the definition Marvel has for the term "omnipotence", in its official handbook (v2):

http://i.imgur.com/lNhlw5l.jpg?1

"vast power, although not unlimited"

and you'll notice it classifies Stranger, Celestials, Galactus, Watchers and LT as omnipotent, but we know for a fact that LT is leagues above them all.

It may be that levels of omnipotence refer to the scale upon which characters operate, for example, LT operates in all multiverses (which was actually shown more than once, im not going by 1 statement), while others such as Galactus (mostly) operate on a universal scale.

Who's more powerful between Thanos with the heart of Infinite or Pre retcon Beyonder is debatable, but the IG is well below them both, Marvel: the end even says that Heart of the universe > IG + cosmic cube:

http://i.imgur.com/Dmu62bh.jpg

Also, that's why an infinite universe is contained within a greater infinity (multiverse), and the multiverse itself (along with all others) is contained in the greater infinity (omniverse), from New Exiles #1 letter's page:

http://i.imgur.com/yARZYy7.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/hzXtbIR.jpg?1

Originally posted by Galan007
👆

TOAA(or any variation of that title) is just a blanket term used in the comic world to describe the RL writers/artists. Essentially, each writer/artist in Marvel and DC is TOAA.

Aside from those you mentioned, Mike Carlin has been the Supreme Being a few times as well:

(You could also consider Eddie Berganza the co-Supreme Being in the above sequence.)

There are several other examples, but the point should be pretty clear.

👆 i really do like that superman issue where Mxy meets "the supreme being" (writer).

Originally posted by Golgo13
Such as? Were they all mystic related?

No, not all of them, basically, in the Warlord series, monsters are the most powerful, the last arc of the series is the one which features the most powerful beings (ill get to that in a while), but among some powerful things/beings:

the sword which can sent asunder time and space, from Warlord #34:

http://i.imgur.com/P6gZKHX.jpg

......It can time travel, though this is a concept which is - like many others - featured frequently in the Warlord series, and it should be noted that Warlord #80, for instance, says that there are an infinite number of alternate time-lines/universes:

http://i.imgur.com/D64MavN.jpg?1

There are also 2 extremely powerful wizards who are literally playing "God", they control everything on a chessboard, in the literal sense, as seen in Warlord #35:

http://i.imgur.com/8UtQGbP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bs4ON5T.jpg

Funny how the 2 wizards are Mike and John, you'll realize that the writer's name is Mike Grell and the Letterer's John Costanza. Coincidence? Maybe.

Here's confirmation that those are extra-dimensional omnipresent wizards (special feature inserted in issue 50 which serves as a guide tour to the previous adventures):

http://i.imgur.com/4ySlIsT.jpg?1

There's also some Nameless gods/demons (heh, which reminds me that DC has also another supreme being referenced in the martian manhunter v1 mini, called the Unnameable One) which when invoked tear apart the fabric of time-space, Warlord #49:

http://i.imgur.com/wYMlRTe.jpg?1

And a backup story featuring Claw the Unconquered (associated with in one of the issue shows time-space melting, then restored:

http://i.imgur.com/9uBJiyS.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/WvqJTSO.jpg

This dimension has 15 worlds, 7 to each light and dark, and 1 neutral.

There's also the Evil One, who's is the literal personification of evil, though he mostly never reaches his peak power, and even when he's destroyed in Warlord #66 (because his power source - his book - got destroyed), it's stated that he'll return because evil exist many forms:

http://i.imgur.com/gddw9k9.jpg?1

which is true, Evil One did return later, indirectly.

Death (Abstract) was also featured several times, introduced at the beginning of the series, and her last appearance was in Warlord #98, which was around the time the COIE was taking place, after that, Death of the endless was introduced, and basically hinted that all gods of mythologies/beliefs in DC are part of the endless in different forms.

There's also the Wizard king of new atlantis (Cykroth back then, who was later defeated because his power was drained to creating some sort of universe in Travis' mind...) who's associated with the evil that eats the universe, Warlord #96:

http://i.imgur.com/7V03Q4u.jpg?1

There are others like Wralf, V'zarr Hagar Zinn, Khnathaiti, a helmet which grants "limitless power" to the user, etc.. but meh, last arc is by far the most important one, especially power-wise.

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Now the last arc does feature extremely powerful beings, Galan already posted the Una/Anu stuff, here's some other beings from the same issue (Warlord #132):

Ea:

http://i.imgur.com/gm2PMMz.jpg

Tiamat:

http://i.imgur.com/nb9h9dy.jpg

Yk'kphat:

http://i.imgur.com/VRxTv32.jpg

Ningal:

http://i.imgur.com/ROuCIxT.jpg

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Should be noted: while only nine planes are referenced (when Una created the universe) there is a tenth one which is the very incarnation of evil, as seen in Warlord #114:

http://i.imgur.com/4c4xktv.jpg?1

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Another thing: Some people who read Warlord might be confused as to what the Skartaris is, because first it's referred to being within the hollow earth (this is a scan before the crisis was concluded):

http://i.imgur.com/UMn2SDC.jpg?1

However later this was changed to to Skartaris being an independent dimension (extra-dimension), here's 1 reference to it:

http://i.imgur.com/FSzWAJJ.jpg?1

"our dimension"

Furthermore, Who's Who confirms it:

http://i.imgur.com/po0UTRE.jpg?1

I have also Editorial confirmation if needed. But basically it's been consistently referred as this in the after the 100s issues. Though other writers (when Warlord crossovers with other titles) kind of ignored this, doesn't change the fact that it's been established.

I posted a lot, so let me know if there's something that doesn't fit with what i said, so i can recheck it.