Originally posted by Cogito
Team beats WWH, would beat a Hulk starting at WWH before he could get to WBH, but DCnU versions lack the high end feats to beat WBH.
Now this is a sensible reply. From what I gathered of WBHulk, this team would be impotent against him. Unless someone is suggesting that anyone on the JL side can defeat a guy with more power by far than someone weighing in with more power than 113 Herc's. This version of the Hulk was OP (Over Powered). They lose, and soundly at that.
World Breaker Hulk is far too strong for this team.
What era Justice League is this? Because World War Hulk is a lot stronger then anyone on this team; only Superman (And Hal Jordan) in his more experienced years can come close. I'm finding it difficult to imagine how they'd actually put him down with his ridiculous damage soak seeing as how if he wanted to, he could drop someone like Wonder Woman relatively easily. Even Captain Marvel and Orion have no business trying to fight this Hulk hand to hand or in close combat based on their performance against Black Adam and the First Born respectively. At the level they're operating at, World War Hulk would be like Hunter Prey Doomsday to them imo. Green Scar while calm and holding back massively (I'm not even talking about World Breaker levels but as World War Hulk) could operate on a strength level higher then someone like immortal Hercules.
I want proof for the new Justice League being able to dish out enough damage to take World War Hulk down.
Don't just enter the thread and leave a "Nyhehehe, Team winsss *retarded voice and behaviour" and leave a again.
Back up your claims - Barely anyone here does it and nearly everyone here is a scumbag, whose opinion doesn't hold any value whatsoever.
I say that World War Hulk wins, since he had to compete with established high heralds over and over and over again and did very well against them. He has insane strength, striking power and overall durability. He regenerates in a matter of seconds and nuke like explosions only make him stronger.
What have the members of the Justice League done so far for me to believe that they stand an actual chance?
They would get slaughtered in a matter of moments. If they're smart enough they will listen to Batman's strategy, which will be to set one step in front of the other into the opposite direction of the Hulk - as fast as they can.
Superman can be the blue boyscout if he wants and attack the Hulk with his mountain level punches, but as soon as Hulk unleashs, the fight is over.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Was that your reaction to my post? If so, then calm down and feel free to state your opinion on how the Justice League would be able to beat the Hulk.So far you haven't done shit. Like always.
You fail even to recognize yourself, lol. Your multithread rage is one of the funniest things I ever saw here. 😆 I pity you but I can't stop laughing. 😂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
World Breaker Hulk is far too strong for this team.What era Justice League is this? Because World War Hulk is a lot stronger then anyone on this team; only Superman (And Hal Jordan) in his more experienced years can come close. I'm finding it difficult to imagine how they'd actually put him down with his ridiculous damage soak seeing as how if he wanted to, he could drop someone like Wonder Woman relatively easily. Even Captain Marvel and Orion have no business trying to fight this Hulk hand to hand or in close combat based on their performance against Black Adam and the First Born respectively. At the level they're operating at, World War Hulk would be like Hunter Prey Doomsday to them imo. Green Scar while calm and holding back massively (I'm not even talking about World Breaker levels but as World War Hulk) could operate on a strength level higher then someone like immortal Hercules.
Exactly. This is where I was getting at. By the way, I will be posting more fts of WWH in the Hulk thread. Some stuff people didn't see or didn't pay attention too.
Batman-Prime, I'm still waiting for you to come up with arguments to support your pick in this fight. Tell me why the Justice League would be able to beat the World War Hulk.
So far you're just posting biased, childish nonsense, like you always do. Redeem yourself and prove that you have at least few functioning brain cells. Feel free to call Raj for help.
I want to hear at least 3 feats, which establish the Justice League as a real threat to WW Huk (excluding the benchpress madness).
I'll even go as far to say that this battle is a spite match in WW Hulk's favour, since the Justice League has done NOTHING to justify even surviving the first 5 minutes of the fight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why? The bench pressing feat is perfectly valid as an example or reference of Superman's power.
Superman benchpressing the Earth is bad writing and goes against everything the character should stand for in my opinion. I pretend that it never happened.
And it's not even for the ridiculousness of the feat itself. Think about it:
Superman was benchpressing the Earth for 5 days straight and now take his powerset into consideration... He was basically in the basement for 5 days and doing something for no real, practical reason, which would justify him not using that time to save countless of humans in danger.
I want to see Superman flying around every time he has a free moment and listening for people in need of help and then actually help them. Superman instead wasted time by benchpressing a machine up is just so ... so stupid.
With that being said:
By giving him that feat it automatically upgrades every single opponent, who gives him an actual fight to that level. Captain Marvel, Martain Manhunter and many others, who will follow should have the exact same kind of strength, since in the encounters so far he has not been able to simply overwhelm his opponents with strength alone.
No, Superman rather throws punches, which are stated to cause mountain-level destruction in multiple comics and not even one comic (to my knowledge) states that he has more damage output. Something is simply not right there. I understand the idea that him having the strength he supposedly has should give him more damage output, but it has simply not been the case so far. It is a ridiculously high showing without any real purpose so far and falls under the same category as Spider-Man beating Firelord ... it is an incredibly high showing, which was caused by bad writing and bad editing.
One more thing:
There were also instances, where it looked like Wonder Woman and him had problems catching a submarine, which additionally got pressed down by tidal waves. They managed to pull it off, which is great, but judging by that one feat Superman should have been able to do it all by himself without even trying.
Then there was also an instance where Superman was thinking about physical challenges and lifting city blocks and toppeling mountains with strikes were two of such challenges. With his strength city blocks shouldn't be a challenge for him at all.
Everything in the Superman and Justice League comics speaks AGAINST the Earth benchpressing feat and therefore I simply ignore it.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Superman benchpressing the Earth is bad writing and goes against everything the character should stand for in my opinion. I pretend that it never happened.
One might say the exact same thing about Molecule Man/Sentry if they were so inclined.
Pretending it didn't happen is ridiculous and makes you seem unfairly biased if anything. Anyone arguing that it's the norm or that it retroactively applies to all his foes is in the wrong as there a lot more examples to contradict this feat, some even under the same writer but that's not what you're arguing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
One might say the exact same thing about Molecule Man/Sentry if they were so inclined.Pretending it didn't happen is ridiculous and makes you seem unfairly biased if anything. Anyone arguing that it's the norm or that it retroactively applies to all his foes is in the wrong as there a lot more examples to contradict this feat, some even under the same writer but that's not what you're arguing.
No, there is a HUGE different between these two instances.
Sentry has always done weird and questionable stuff like coming back from the dead, healing people and even resurrecting the dead. He has changed his appearance over and over again, erased the memories of not only billions of humans, but even animals and so on, and so on.
And he never knew how he was able to do it. He didn't have the proper control over it, but when he faced the Molecule Man - being confronted by all of that helped him figure out that matter manipulation is how he is doing all of it.
He learned about his abilities in "Dark Avengers #12", which was really close to his death - but from that comic he has shown of having the matter manipulation aura around him during a lot of occasions, so he remained consistant with it.
After "Dark Avengers #12" Sentry had a massive power upgrade and he still has it as we've seen it in the recent "Uncanny Avengers" comics, where he used his matter manipulation to take Thor out. He used it to stop Mjolnir in motion and drop it to the ground and he used it to one-shot Thor.
Superman on the other hand? He had a UBER high end feat, which didn't establish anything.
I'm not biased towards Sentry and I'm not biased against Superman. Let me prove it by saying this:
1. I believe that pre Molecule Man encounter Sentry would have lost to Superman 6/10, due to the Sentry naturally emitting solar radiation as the main type of his energy based attacks - that would have sundipped Superman and gave him the edge.
But the post Molecule Man encounter Sentry always had the matter manipulation aura around him, so he ditched the solar energy and started doing stuff with the molecules - he wouldn't have that problem anymore in a fight against Superman.
2. I believe that pre Molecule Man encounter would lose to Blue Marvel in a well written fight, due to Blue Marvel wielding antimatter powers, which was one of Sentry's self-imposed weaknesses.
Sentry was in the Negative Zone few times and it always rendered him helpless, because he believed it would drain his powers. Self-impossed, because at the same time the antimatter in the Negative Zone empowered the Void, who ultimately is the Sentry - so the Sentry having control over his powers should in theory be able to absorb the antimatter, just like he absorbs solar radiation and all kinds of other energy types and empower himself that way.
But that was the pre Molecule Man encounter Sentry - after he realized what he truly is capable of, things changed for him.
And again ... Blue Marvel knocking the Sentry out proves nothing, because getting caught simply happens. A weakened Sentry took WW Hulk's punches to the face, had a smile on it and asked for more. That overshadows the Blue Marvel knockout.
3. I believe that every single powerful reality warper can take the Sentry out, due to the Sentry being limited to molecule manipulation, while reality warpers can do stuff even if there is nothing for them to work with.
Sentry has been affected and rendered powerless by HoM Scarlet Witch, even though she didn't really manage to take his powers away fully, since he still had to do with the Void, which would normally not be there...
... but then he also straight up got reality warped the crap out of him by Absorbing Man, who gained such powers after absorbing a Cosmic Cube...
... and then then there was also the final battle in Siege, where Loki used his Norn stones, which warp the reality / they grant the user wishes and the Norn stones were able to empower the heroes greatly and make them cut through the Void like through butter.
I just stated who can beat the Sentry easily. Do I sound like a braindead fanboy to you?
Ask all the Superman fanboys here, who Superman wouldn't stand a chance against. Ask the Thanos fanboys, who Thanos wouldn't stand a chance at. You'll get death threats via PM for sure.
Originally posted by Enzeru
No, there is a HUGE different between these two instances.Sentry has always done weird and questionable stuff
Do you even know who Superman is? There's no difference between the two at all as they were both high end outliers.
Trying to pretend a feat doesn't exist instead of recognizing it for what it is (A high end showing) is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you even know who Superman is? There's no difference between the two at all as they were both high end outliers.
Yes Rage, I don't know who Superman is. Is it something to eat or fap to?
Sentry does magical, unexplainable shit to overcome problems and obstacles, while Superman simply hits harder than before. That's a pretty big difference to me.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Trying to pretend a feat doesn't exist instead of recognizing it for what it is (A high end showing) is ridiculous.
You know what else is ridiculous?
To simply rely on that one showing and especially because it falls in the same category as his other showings. It's not a new power he gained for that moment or something like that ... no, he simply pushed a little bit harder for no obvious reason and then when human lifes are on line he kinda doesn't push further anymore and punches with his mountain toppeling punches and causes a lot of colletaral damage in the process, rather than simply grabbing the opponent with his Earth benchpressing strenght and ending the fight with a simple squeeze.
The Superman fanboys take that one showing of strength and that's for them the ultimate place for the character, while ignoring the norm for the character in the past and after that showing.
That again is not comperable to the Sentry, who didn't do more of the same during the Molecule Man encounter, but discovered something totally new during that encounter and stick to it afterwards.