Black Adam (post crisis) v Angrir

Originally posted by leonidas
hm, gotta say i'm a little surprised at the one-sided voting. i figured this was pretty dern even. rulk got his shite pushed in. adam isn't much if any stronger. he's def got speed on his side. if he has to go just h2h like rulk, i think this is a dead heat. if he brings the lightning to bear, i'd be very interested in seeing what his hammer could do to defend against it. i absolutely, in no way, could see adam tearing a hole through him. i'm a little surprised at that stance. i have a better idea why rage defended angrir so stridently in that ww thread--dude doesn't get much respect. lol

Originally posted by h1a8
I view BA as a lot stronger than Angrir. Remember Angrir was using a hammer vs. Rulk's fists for the most part. I'm sure those hammer hits are magnitudes more powerful than the fist. Anyway BA has speed and mobility on his side which makes the strength argument moot. In a forum setting BA would win 10/10 due to this advantage alone.

No he doesn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
The fact that it blew through Angrir proves his durability isn't that great. Looking at Thor's history of feats and showings suggest this. Rulk at the time is inconsisent as had WM million dollar dream him. So I wouldn't weight his fight with him very much. Also, it can be debated that the previous Mjolnir hit was more of a glancing blow.

Bottomline: Thor has never and can not blow Mjolnir through any high herald level being.

Finally, BA would win in a forum fight rather easily due to speed. In a comic, it would be a closer fight though.

So BA rips his heart out with ease.

P.S. why pick Thor to have a high showing vs. Angrir to have a low showing in durability?

Like I said, Thor's high end feats are far and away above Black Adam's. Mjolnir did greater things then plowing through Angrir under Fraction.

What are you talking about? The Wonder Man scene was a while after the Angrir fight and Rulk was firmly established as easily being an elite top tier brick in his first Avengers arc with the Infinity Gems (Right before Fear Itself IIRC). Fyi, that wasn't a low showing for Rulk, it was a ridiculous showing for Wonder Man. I'm guessing Simon was on his way to being the next crazy powerful Bendis Avenger, following in the steps of Wanda and Sentry.

Lol. So anytime Thor has a high end feat it automatically means that the character was jobbing? Smh. Mjolnir one shot disintegrated an amped Ulik under Fraction. Black Adam can't replicate anywhere close to that power either.

Thor HAS blown through a herald level being as indicated by what he did to Angrir. Get over it.

Hahaha gtfo with that nonsense.

Originally posted by leonidas
hm, gotta say i'm a little surprised at the one-sided voting. i figured this was pretty dern even. rulk got his shite pushed in. adam isn't much if any stronger. he's def got speed on his side. if he has to go just h2h like rulk, i think this is a dead heat. if he brings the lightning to bear, i'd be very interested in seeing what his hammer could do to defend against it. i absolutely, in no way, could see adam tearing a hole through him. i'm a little surprised at that stance. i have a better idea why rage defended angrir so stridently in that ww thread--dude doesn't get much respect. lol

Yeah, Rulk is easily on Black Adam's strength level but somehow Adam is going to stomp Angrir and tear through him as indicated by all the times he tore through regular humans and low metas. He once tore the head off an Amazo I think but those things inherently fluctuate depending on the model. It'd be like me pointing to Angrir one-shotting Dragon Man who back in the day could trade blows with the Hulk and Hercules. It ignores common sense. Not to mention it's a robot. For example: Wally and Hal both impaled an Amazo that was beating up the League relatively easily and no way could they do that to Wonder Woman, much less to someone stacking the powers of the Justice League.

Is black adam going to be written by Jeff Parker too who had everyone stomp Rulk's ass for like a dozen issues straight? Beating him is as impressive as beating a random jobber.

Mjolnir going through Angrir's chest was about as horrible as one could get as far as writing is concerned. Ben has been hit in the chest by Mjolnir in the past and it just knocked him down. But, when he is turned into a High Herald; it goes right through him. I call B.S.

Angrir destroys BA because he's angririer

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, Thor's high end feats are far and away above Black Adam's. Mjolnir did greater things then plowing through Angrir under Fraction.

What are you talking about? The Wonder Man scene was a while after the Angrir fight and Rulk was firmly established as easily being an elite top tier brick in his first Avengers arc with the Infinity Gems (Right before Fear Itself IIRC). Fyi, that wasn't a low showing for Rulk, it was a ridiculous showing for Wonder Man. I'm guessing Simon was on his way to being the next crazy powerful Bendis Avenger, following in the steps of Wanda and Sentry.

Lol. So anytime Thor has a high end feat it automatically means that the character was jobbing? Smh. Mjolnir one shot disintegrated an amped Ulik under Fraction. Black Adam can't replicate anywhere close to that power either.

Thor HAS blown through a herald level being as indicated by what he did to Angrir. Get over it.

Hahaha gtfo with that nonsense.

I'm arguing 2. since going by history we know Thor can't do that to high heralds. Even when he is trying to kill.
Other so called high end showings from Thor could be easily seen as a low end showing from the higher being. We just can't pick and choose. But weigh his history in on it.

Mjolnir is not going through Nul, Silver Surfer, or even Thor himself, etc. That's just plain ridiculousness. What are current Rulk's strength feats or his feats around Fear itself?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah, Rulk is easily on Black Adam's strength level but somehow Adam is going to stomp Angrir and tear through him as indicated by all the times he tore through regular humans and low metas. He once tore the head off an Amazo I think but those things inherently fluctuate depending on the model. It'd be like me pointing to Angrir one-shotting Dragon Man who back in the day could trade blows with the Hulk and Hercules. It ignores common sense. Not to mention it's a robot. For example: Wally and Hal both impaled an Amazo that was beating up the League relatively easily and no way could they do that to Wonder Woman, much less to someone stacking the powers of the Justice League.

Remember Angrir was using a hammer vs. Rulk's fists for the most part. I'm sure those hammer hits are magnitudes more powerful than the fist. Anyway BA has speed and mobility on his side which makes the strength argument moot. In a forum setting BA would win 10/10 due to this advantage alone.