MOS Group v. Thor Group

Originally posted by Supra
Neither can Thor and he always gets Thor's hammer up his ass or should I say "on his chest"

Loki will have no time to deal with Faora when she is speed blitzing his ass and then pounding him into submission like this

Pretty sure Zod and Faora little bit smarter and faster then Thor

WHere is Loki's magic here to confuse this rage monster

Thing about Faora is she would not stop till Loki is dead.

'For every human you save we will kill a million more."

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The phuck are you talking about? Thor is worthy of wielding the hammer.
Loki can cloud men's thoughts including aliens.
It's an easy game.
The Hulk Loki battle was a cheapshot.
Any film buff will agree.
He just stood there and took the damage. It was bad writing.
Thor 2 proved otherwise. Loki is a strategic genius.

Zod and Faora don't stand a chance.

Originally posted by the ninjak
The phuck are you talking about? Thor is worthy of wielding the hammer.
Loki can cloud men's thoughts including aliens.
It's an easy game.
The Hulk Loki battle was a cheapshot.
Any film buff will agree.
He just stood there and took the damage. It was bad writing.
Thor 2 proved otherwise. Loki is a strategic genius.

I find it funny when I strike an internet cord with someone, when someone reads something I did not say and then gets whiny about it

Loki supposedly can see ahead in time or has extra senses right to stop an arrow from hitting his eye in "Avengers"

Yet he could not stop the hulk..

What world do you live in? You think it was bad writing, its called "hulk smash"

Loki never wins...in the end he always loses in every situation presented...he loses

Originally posted by Supra
I find it funny when I strike an internet cord with someone, when someone reads something I did not say and then gets whiny about it

Loki supposedly can see ahead in time or has extra senses right to stop an arrow from hitting his eye in "Avengers"

Yet he could not stop the hulk..

What world do you live in? You think it was bad writing, its called "hulk smash"

Loki never wins...in the end he always loses in every situation presented...he loses

Wrong. He wins obviously in Thor 2. Even when impaled and killed he still manages to take control of Asgard.

It is all smoke and mirrors. Loki is master of such tricks.

Thor watched Loki die yet instead he took control of Asgard.

And in regards to defence? He withstood a complete attack by a Hulk! And didn't take a scratch. Just got winded. Take it as you will.

Originally posted by the ninjak
The phuck are you talking about? Thor is worthy of wielding the hammer.
Loki can cloud men's thoughts including aliens.
It's an easy game.
The Hulk Loki battle was a cheapshot.
Any film buff will agree.
He just stood there and took the damage. It was bad writing.
Thor 2 proved otherwise. Loki is a strategic genius.

Zod and Faora don't stand a chance.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Wrong. He wins obviously in Thor 2. Even when impaled and killed he still manages to take control of Asgard.

It is all smoke and mirrors. Loki is master of such tricks.

Thor watched Loki die yet instead he took control of Asgard.

And in regards to defence? He withstood a complete attack by a Hulk! And didn't take a scratch. Just got winded. Take it as you will.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Like I said, it was Loki's fault that he tried to talk to Hulk. That still doesn't change the fact that Hulk attacked him when he was not trying to fight. So that beating that Hulk gave him, that was a beating done to a none resisting Loki. Had Loki been fully fighting then it might have turned out different.

As for Loki vs. Thor, well, Thor has AOE attacks which can cancel out Loki's illusions as we saw in the first Thor movie.

I'm talking about their Avengers fight where Thor pushed his shit in after Loki went h2h with him. No illusions there either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Loki doesn't have a single fight where he is this untouchable god. Everyone from Frost Giants to Thor to Hulk tagged him. To pretend that Faora and Zod wouldn't is nothing but stroking marvel characters. Its not how Loki fights.

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Astute observation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And he is a fool for doing that. Hulk surprised him with his speed and pushed his shit in. Guess who is faster than Hulk here? A huge lulz @ non fighting Loki though.

I'm talking about their Avengers fight where Thor pushed his shit in after Loki went h2h with him. No illusions there either.

We're going round in circles here. Yes, Loki was a fool to try and talk to the Hulk. No one is trying to debate that. You can call him a fool as much as you want, that still doesn't change the fact that HE WASN'T TRYING TO FIGHT HULK.

As far as I know in KMC rules, the combatants here are fully prepared to fight each other, which means Loki will have his illusions ready and at hand. The kryptonians can speed blitz Loki all they want, that won't help if all they're hitting are illusions.

Now, I'm not saying Thor and Loki wins. Majority of the time the Kryptonians will win due to sheer speed and durability. But don't be surprised if the brothers pull out a couple of upsets. Loki's magic is key here, plus Thor's ranged and AOE attacks are more powerful than any the Kryptonians have shown. If Loki's daggers can penetrate Kyrptonian hide then the fight should go 50/50. If not, I'd say 70/30 in favor of the Kryptonians.

There's also the fact that all you need to do is damage Faora's helmet and she's susceptible to an easy KO.

Originally posted by FrothByte
We're going round in circles here. Yes, Loki was a fool to try and talk to the Hulk. No one is trying to debate that. You can call him a fool as much as you want, that still doesn't change the fact that HE WASN'T TRYING TO FIGHT HULK.

As far as I know in KMC rules, the combatants here are fully prepared to fight each other, which means Loki will have his illusions ready and at hand. The kryptonians can speed blitz Loki all they want, that won't help if all they're hitting are illusions.

Now, I'm not saying Thor and Loki wins. Majority of the time the Kryptonians will win due to sheer speed and durability. But don't be surprised if the brothers pull out a couple of upsets. Loki's magic is key here, plus Thor's ranged and AOE attacks are more powerful than any the Kryptonians have shown. If Loki's daggers can penetrate Kyrptonian hide then the fight should go 50/50. If not, I'd say 70/30 in favor of the Kryptonians.

There's also the fact that all you need to do is damage Faora's helmet and she's susceptible to an easy KO.

They are not prepared, they still fight in character and we actually take the fights they have been in the actual canon in account. If you're going to argue powersets, go to CBR.

You're speculating a lot of things here. If and what, Loki's magic has been utterly ineffectual against any opponent he fought, his dagger only made Thor mad and he pushed Loki's shit in and Thor doesn't uses AOE attacks against his opponents mostly. He's a hero, not a villain.

You also need superman level strength to do that as a sucker punch from Kal damaged that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If he had tried to fight the hulk, the result would've been the same. He is a fool and a braggart, you can't just dismiss his showings saying that. He would do the same here as he's fighting in character, you're not fighting in his place.

They are not prepared, they still fight in character and we actually take the fights they have been in the actual canon in account. If you're going to argue powersets, go to CBR.

You're speculating a lot of things here. If and what, Loki's magic has been utterly ineffectual against any opponent he fought, his dagger only made Thor mad and he pushed Loki's shit in and Thor doesn't uses AOE attacks against his opponents mostly. He's a hero, not a villain.

You also need superman level strength to do that as a sucker punch from Kal damaged that.

If he tried to fight Hulk h2h then yes, same thing would have happened. Hulk however is not smart enough to get around the illusions.

Yes, Loki doesn't always fight like that, but he has shown quite capable of using illusions during his fights, especially seen in Thor 2. Just because he wasn't quite as good at using them before doesn't mean that you can pick and choose his lowest showings as his usual fighting style. Because if that's your reasoning, I can easily do the same and keep pointing out the Superman got knocked out by an oil rig.

Far as I know, we use the character's latest feats as this will show them at their current capacity... that means Loki as he was seen in Thor 2.

Kryptonians.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If he tried to fight Hulk h2h then yes, same thing would have happened. Hulk however is not smart enough to get around the illusions.

Yes, Loki doesn't always fight like that, but he has shown quite capable of using illusions during his fights, especially seen in Thor 2. Just because he wasn't quite as good at using them before doesn't mean that you can pick and choose his lowest showings as his usual fighting style. Because if that's your reasoning, I can easily do the same and keep pointing out the Superman got knocked out by an oil rig.

Far as I know, we use the character's latest feats as this will show them at their current capacity... that means Loki as he was seen in Thor 2.

I haven't seen Thor 2 but if its as useful as luring a frost giant to a pit or throwing Thor into a glass cage, forget about it. Its nothing useful into a fight with someone as fast as Faora or Zod. They could just zip through every illusion untill they smack the real loki. And then what? And even that showing is beyond Thor and Loki unless they blew up something as big as that Oil Rig. It was easily big enough that a helicopter looked small compared to it.

What did Loki do in Thor 2 anyway that's so impressive?

Thor and Loki hope this is noob Zod. Otherwise this is very one sided against them.

Yeah, full powered Zod actually looked stronger than Superman when he straight up caught a punch from him and his trick with superman's cape and throwing him away would KTFO Thor or Loki.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What else would he do? Shoot hulk with his non-existent magic? Throw knives? Loki fought h2h with everyone, be it Thor, Hulk, Captain America, Frost Giants, Thor while having Gungnir and that's it. There is nothing else to draw from.

I haven't seen Thor 2 but if its as useful as luring a frost giant to a pit or throwing Thor into a glass cage, forget about it. Its nothing useful into a fight with someone as fast as Faora or Zod. They could just zip through every illusion untill they smack the real loki. And then what? And even that showing is beyond Thor and Loki unless they blew up something as big as that Oil Rig. It was easily big enough that a helicopter looked small compared to it.

What did Loki do in Thor 2 anyway that's so impressive?

You should watch Thor 2 first then before making your conclusions. Like I said, Loki's illusions won't be enough to grant them majority of the wins, but it should still get them a few wins. At the very least, it should make it a good fight. Loki's illusions coupled with Thor's raw power is not an easy combination to beat.

You're also forgetting Loki's mind manipulation powers and the fact that he can mass produce illusions like he did in the first Thor movie. He's capable of imitating another person's likeness... so if he copies Zod then makes Thor look like Faora, then makes a dozen more illusions of Zod and Faora... well, that should make things interesting.

True that, but Thor 2 changes nothing. In fact it cements the fact Thor is a hell of a lot less agile and mobile than the kryptonians.

The cape throwing KOing Thor is BS though. Loki might get ****ed up by it though.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You should watch Thor 2 first then before making your conclusions. Like I said, Loki's illusions won't be enough to grant them majority of the wins, but it should still get them a few wins. At the very least, it should make it a good fight. Loki's illusions coupled with Thor's raw power is not an easy combination to beat.

You're also forgetting Loki's mind manipulation powers and the fact that he can mass produce illusions like he did in the first Thor movie. He's capable of imitating another person's likeness... so if he copies Zod then makes Thor look like Faora, then makes a dozen more illusions of Zod and Faora... well, that should make things interesting.

The same mind bending powers which failed on Tony because of his arc reactor? LOL.

Before or After either Zod and Faora beat the shit out of him at super-speed since Loki went h2h against everyone.

Originally posted by FrothByte
We're going round in circles here. Yes, Loki was a fool to try and talk to the Hulk. No one is trying to debate that. You can call him a fool as much as you want, that still doesn't change the fact that HE WASN'T TRYING TO FIGHT HULK.

Your damn right, you actually think he wanted to fight that guy, however lokis big mouth got him in trouble yet again.

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