Thor and Silver Surfer Vs. Darkseid · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to the extent Sanction does. If Darkseid wants, he can just send mjolnir to past or future like he did to Slobo and Forever People. Good luck summoning it then.
I don't. Omega beams can catch up to FTL flashes, Thor would be like a statue to them.

Honestly, based on everything Mjolnir has blocked or stopped before in comics, I don't see why Mjolnir can't stop the beams when Diana's bracelets can and Superman himself can endure them with pain. If you're arguing against Thor dodging them outright, sure, but the odds are on Mjolnir being able to stop them more often than not.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by panthergod
Superman defeating Darkseid was a measure of his physical power and formidability, which is well beyond Thor or Surfer's.
Anytime Darkseid ever encountered a conventional physical being it was a manifestation. Those are distinct from his lesser avatars.

While Superman's physical power might be above Surfer and Thor, their respective power sets and abilities aren't well below Superman's. 😬

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Honestly, based on everything Mjolnir has blocked or stopped before in comics, I don't see why Mjolnir can't stop the beams when Diana's bracelets can and Superman himself can endure them with pain. If you're arguing against Thor dodging them outright, sure, but the odds are on Mjolnir being able to stop them more often than not.

When has Thor blocked temporal BFRs of mjolnir? If it was just destructive power of omega beams you could argue that mjolnir can block it. This however is beyond mjolnir's capability to block.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-19.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-22-1.jpg

Or this

Forever People #6
Here Darkseid uses his omega beams and sends each member to different points of Earth’s history.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-09-21.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-09-22.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-10-17.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-10-18.jpg

If he teleports mjolnir to another time period, there is nothing Thor can do to prevent that.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

The Omega Sanction is projected like a beam of energy, not unlike the Omega Beams. Mjolnir's blocked all kinds of energy and even after Immortus stripped away the time traveling power from Mjolnir, it still commands a degree of influence over time and space. To that end, I don't see why Thor can't use Mjolnir to block the beam considering he's battled against forced teleportation attacks before. If this was like Darkseid snaps his fingers and Thor is instantly gone, okay, but Mjolnir's track record is too good and varied to assume that the Sanction would just no sell it, imho (provided it's projected in the form of energy).

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Omega Sanction is projected like a beam of energy, not unlike the Omega Beams. Mjolnir's blocked all kinds of energy and even after Immortus stripped away the time traveling power from Mjolnir, it still commands a degree of influence over time and space. To that end, I don't see why Thor can't use Mjolnir to block the beam considering he's battled against forced teleportation attacks before. If this was like Darkseid snaps his fingers and Thor is instantly gone, okay, but Mjolnir's track record is too good and varied to assume that the Sanction would just no sell it, imho (provided it's projected in the form of energy).

Post one scan of Thor blocking a temporal BFR attempt by mjolnir. You're applying no limit fallacy on mjolnir that if its an energy beam, mjolnir would block it. Its a teleportation beam and mjolnir has been teleported away before.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post one scan of Thor blocking a temporal BFR attempt by mjolnir. You're applying no limit fallacy on mjolnir that if its an energy beam, mjolnir would block it. Its a teleportation beam and mjolnir has been teleported away before.

You're acting as if I'm saying Thor could block Living Tribunal from blasting him. It's not a no limit's fallacy, it's acknowledging what Mjolnir can and has done to energy beams ranging from the mundane to the extremely powerful and of varied effects. If anything, you're arguing that the nature of the Omega Sanction is beyond Mjolnir just because.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're acting as if I'm saying Thor could block Living Tribunal from blasting him. It's not a no limit's fallacy, it's acknowledging what Mjolnir can and has done to energy beams ranging from the mundane to the extremely powerful and of varied effects. If anything, you're arguing that the nature of the Omega Sanction is beyond Mjolnir just because.

He's arguing that the Omega Sanction is from DC therefore nothing in Marvel can stop/block/absorb it.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're acting as if I'm saying Thor could block Living Tribunal from blasting him. It's not a no limit's fallacy, it's acknowledging what Mjolnir can and has done to energy beams ranging from the mundane to the extremely powerful and of varied effects. If anything, you're arguing that the nature of the Omega Sanction is beyond Mjolnir just because.

I ask only one scan of mjolnir resisting a temporal BFR. Not too hard seeing how Thor has like 10 thousand appearances of blocking powerful energies.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's arguing that the Omega Sanction is from DC therefore nothing in Marvel can stop/block/absorb it.

😂 @ this poor attempt of baiting. Apparently mjolnir=marvel.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂 @ this poor attempt of baiting. Apparently mjolnir=marvel.

I was talking to Jake and it's rather obvious that it wasn't a serious post, next time I'll include a 😄 , since you seem to be unable to spot a joke on your own,

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Silent Master
I was talking to Jake and it's rather obvious that it wasn't a serious post, next time I'll include a 😄 , since you seem to be unable to spot a joke on your own,

You never joke against Batman/Superman/Darkseid.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
You never joke against Batman/Superman/Darkseid.

🙄

mighty adam Senior Member

Logically omega beams are from dc it probably wont have the same effect in the marvel universe its a aspect of the dc one above all. Same with the infinite gems in dc its useless. Or ghost rider fighting in the dc universe hell be powerless his god holds no weight there. So Ds eye beams would probably be just heat vision or even less to Thor. For the sake of the argument they fight in a neutral universe Ds omega still is greatly weakened its not a power of the source here so its pathetic. Still Ds can probably just beat Thor half to death physically so aye. But Thor is a beast and I haven't even added Ss DS wins in my eyes but not by a majority like 6/10.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Silent Master
🙄

I know, right.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

The God Bomb was killing every God who ever lived or would live, exploding simultaneously through all moments of time, a bomb that ran on time. Arguing that a temporal effect would prevent Mjolnir from absorbing energy in light of something like that is...well....everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Not to mention it's own manipulation of time/space is just as tremendous:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesShieldEffectTime1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesShieldEffectTime2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesShieldEffectTime3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesShieldEffectTime4.jpg

And so on.

Not to mention Odin's enchantment:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CreatesAtmosphere1-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CreatesAtmosphere2.jpg

So there's it's ridiculous energy absorption, own considerable manipulation of time/space and the fact that it will always return to his hand, even through dimensional barriers that the Silver Surfer himself cannot pierce.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Is Rage trying to use god bomb as an example to mjolnir resisting temporal BFR?

crylaugh

That's like saying Darkseid BFRs himself outside of time and lets the universe destroy itself.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-01.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-02.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-03.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-09.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-12.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-07.jpg

So many leaps of logic.

Also most of those are localised time manipulation feats, why don't give a single scan of mjolnir returning from another time. A good laugh at it being as tremendous as omega beams though.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Really don't see why mjolnir wouldn't give Thor a chance at resisting Darkseid's attacks, even for a short time.

Surfer'd be ****ed, though.

janus77 Banana Genius

Surfer wouldn't even be touched by Darkseid. Not a thing Darkseid can do to catch Surfer or attack him directly.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer wouldn't even be touched by Darkseid. Not a thing Darkseid can do to catch Surfer or attack him directly.

Except a good deal of his energy/physical attacks.

janus77 Banana Genius

Which Surfer would nonchalantly evade or tank.

Not as if he's fighting Tenebrous or Aegis here. Surfer's definitely had his low showings but, most of them were pre-Annihilation and he has had hugely impressive showings of physical strength and damage soak beyond anything Darkseid can deliver.